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Stickbaits from Shimano & Daiwa
This is a discussion on Stickbaits from Shimano & Daiwa within the Mad Popper forums, part of the Rods & Reels category; Major tackle manufacturers getting into Stickbait mode: Saltiga Dorado Slider: http://fishing.daiwa21.com/index.asp?ItemID=2703 Shimano Ocea ...
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07-08-2006, 01:30 PM
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My Mood:  Rep Power: 6  | Stickbaits from Shimano & Daiwa Major tackle manufacturers getting into Stickbait mode: Saltiga Dorado Slider: http://fishing.daiwa21.com/index.asp?ItemID=2703 Shimano Ocea Pencil: http://fishing.shimano.co.jp/body/pr...ea_pencil.html |
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07-08-2006, 02:15 PM
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Rep Power: 3 | Seems to be the in thing now these stickbaits.... heard there is a brand "Wahoo" for stickbaits in the market, was told its a great lure also. You heard or seen anything about it? |
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07-08-2006, 02:25 PM
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07-08-2006, 02:57 PM
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Rep Power: 3 | So good?!?! wow.... any idea where we can get hold of it? anyone here has any idea? |
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10-08-2006, 01:11 PM
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Wahoo stickbaits are designed as " neutral " buoyancy stickbait and differ than GT Gamma stickbait from Carpenter which is still the best topwater stickbait in the market . Neutral buoyancy stickbaits work in choppy water while Topwater stickbaits work better in relatively flatwater situations . JonLi . | |
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10-08-2006, 03:36 PM
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Enlightening Pak Jon. Most thing works well in flat water.... its those that works well in rougher condition thats worth commending! Flat water I'll still go with a popper where GTs are concerned. So I'm still for Wahoo sticks! | |
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10-08-2006, 10:50 PM
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My Mood:  Rep Power: 6 | Narc I was told you can order the Ocea Pencils from TTC. News should be quite "choon" so go check it out if you have time  |
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10-08-2006, 10:56 PM
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Will go check it out! | |
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21-03-2007, 11:18 PM
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My Mood: Rep Power: 6 | Re: Stickbaits from Shimano & Daiwa Just read an article by Scott Bannerot (resident Marine Biologist with the Nomad crew) on effective Stickbait presentation. Seems like the "Wahoo" stickbaits are a phenomenal success at the Coral Sea...and they present even better when slow trolled with several massive GTs taken  Scott Bannerot's homepage: Home Last edited by MarkR : 21-03-2007 at 11:35 PM. |
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22-03-2007, 01:45 PM
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Rep Power: 3 | Re: Stickbaits from Shimano & Daiwa I think Stickbaits and poppers are really effective lures for GTs....esp if they are sinking models that allow you to work throughout the water column. This really is good esp if there is some surface chop, which is most often all of the time given where Gs live. They also allow you to get the lure abit closer to the fish, making even uninterested fish more aggressive. During a recent trip, we had a session where the fish ignored all our chuggers despite us changing 3-4 different size, brand and shape.....in fact the place looked completely dead.......however after swopping to Pencils, we had immediate hookups, even a goalkeeper and a double.......we even managed to tempt a mid size G all the way from the reef to the open water after it missed its first strike.....so I really am converted and have no doubt over their effectiveness.......using them will also produce more sidecatches like tuna or mackies.... I will add Pencils to the must have list, but some other occasions where Chuggers may work better is during at night or low light conditions where they hunt by sight and sound as well. Or when there are too many small yet fast pest Gs and you need something that the small Gs will be intimidated to take, basically to give a chance for the bigger G. But that requires a bigger mama chugger to scare them off, and these conditions where u have too much fish are rather rare..... Quote:
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22-03-2007, 03:27 PM
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Imho, I seriously doubt fish can be intimidated or scared off by the size of a lure or bait  Most lurers & bait soakers alike would likely have experienced the amazement of how small fishes have whacked big lures or baits. I think it all depends on the "mood" of the quarry we are after Often times, if "size" does matters, it is more a case of not matching the hatch at that particular point of time or season or location.Opinions differ of course. | |
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22-03-2007, 03:53 PM
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Rep Power: 3 | Re: Stickbaits from Shimano & Daiwa True that at times small fish will take big lures too, but we also had many cases where small Gs practically vanished when the big chugger was blooped aggressively while its bigger brothers eyeballed the lure and stayed put.......probably in the correct mood these small guys would strike too.... As to what spook them, I can only account it to either the size of the chugger or the aggressiveness of the the bloop(probably sounded more like a predator than a prey) Quote:
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22-03-2007, 11:46 PM
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Rep Power: 3 | Re: Stickbaits from Shimano & Daiwa hi... sorry, I am a newbie... But i am just wondering when you said 'small Gs vanished when big chuggers' were used... did you actually get to have visual with the GTs? I have never been able to spot a GT until he surface to have a strike at my poppers... About luring a GT to leave the reef into the open water.... from what little that I do know, thats typical GT behavior especially when they are in a feeding mood... wont pay tribute to the lure used in this case. Cheers. Quote:
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23-03-2007, 12:36 AM
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 Hear Ye! Hear Ye! Narc the Invincible, GT tamer of New Caledonia has returned!!!  I could use a tutorial too...gotta catch up with u guys on this GT thing  | |
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23-03-2007, 08:26 AM
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Rep Power: 3 | Re: Stickbaits from Shimano & Daiwa Well, I am a newbie too, so I am only sharing my experiences, opinions of course will differ and is greatly respected. At the locations I ever fished b4, visual sightings of fish is very normal given the water depth was only arnd 4-5m. As for luring GTs out of the reef being a mood thing, it can easily be the case when they are in the right feeding "mood". But when chuggers are completely ignored even when cast right beside the fringing reef, yet we started getting very consistent strikes and could draw the fish right up to less than 10m from the boat to get a attack when swopped to Pencils, much as I used to be a chugger guy, I cant doubt the Pencil's effectiveness. Truth of the matter is I used to be a diehard surface popper only person too, but now I have to admit, they do have their valuable place in the tacklebox...... Quote:
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23-03-2007, 08:43 AM
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Rep Power: 3 | Re: Stickbaits from Shimano & Daiwa Hope I didnt come across as being disrespectful. Merely wanted to find out more. Its a little peculiar... 4-5m of water and a good say 30-50m away... its not easy at all to spot any fishes under water, unless we are casting less than 20m or doing a vertical jig. correct me if I am wrong. I have no doubts stickbait or pencil works nor have I doubted their effectiveness. I always keep a handful of them in my tacklebox too. Narc Quote:
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23-03-2007, 09:42 AM
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Rep Power: 3 | Re: Stickbaits from Shimano & Daiwa No worries Narc, as I am also a newbie so i am also learning as i go, so i hope i dont step on anyones toes as well. Actually the spot where we saw the fishes was near an island. Either popping from boat or from the island itself produced very visual popping and somehow we were able to spot the fishes, perhaps due to the water clarity, but fishes 20-30m away could easily be seen while we popped the lures back in towards them. Out of the topic but just for some interesting reading....... I shall relate 2 really visual situations that I will remember for a long time. One was on board a boat, water depth about 3m, big G of arnd 30kg swam in front of us. Lots of green turtles arnd. My opportunistic friend cast the popper a few meters infront of the G, perfect cast but....unfortunately a turtle got interested, changed its course of direction to inspect the popper and almost bumped into the GT, well that was it, the fish got spooked and rocketed off...... Another occasion was on the island itself with a very steep sloping beach. As we popped, on and off we could see the Gs in the surf as they swam by. The waves were big waves like those you see for surfing and as they crashed onto the reef, the wall of water literally collasped and you could actually see into it like a tv screen, no kidding.....Fact of the story is that my friend than proceeded to hook a 30+ and we could literally watch the hooked fish swimming in the surf. Not long after that, a 8-9ft reef shark chased the strugging G and made a meal out of the tail section of it........the experience was surreal and left 5 of us standing there with our mouths wide open...... Quote:
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26-03-2007, 02:39 AM
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My Mood:  Rep Power: 4 | Re: Stickbaits from Shimano & Daiwa seeing dark shadow following your lure and hitting the lure from the side before seeing the splash cause by it, is probably pretty common but seeing them swimming along the rocks is pretty amazing, but if the waves are hitting the island or the rocks, with the whitewash created how would anyone be able to see the fishes? then again being spooked due to lures landing close to them when they're swimming along flats are more understandable.. Cheers
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26-03-2007, 08:02 AM
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Rep Power: 3 | Re: Stickbaits from Shimano & Daiwa The whitewater is only below the point where the water crashes onto the fringing reef, the area where the water surges and builds up due to the reef is where we can see the Gts......cheers Quote:
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