Shimano Popping rod...

[Sportfisherman]

Originally Posted by stickbom!

Is that you Kuanwai??

Hi Mike ,

Somebody is using your old nick-name !

Jon .

[Uluabuster]

Yeah Mike,

That's me alright...so has Spore stocked up the rods ??

Didn't know you were using this name elsewhere but I have been using this nick in Jon's Indon forum as well !

kW

[JIGW]

Hi Uluabuster,
Rods will be out only next week, so no shops yet have stock of it...

Originally Posted by Uluabuster

Yeah Mike,

That's me alright...so has Spore stocked up the rods ??

Didn't know you were using this name elsewhere but I have been using this nick in Jon's Indon forum as well !

kW

[Sportfisherman]

Originally Posted by Uluabuster

Yeah Mike,

That's me alright...so has Spore stocked up the rods ??

Didn't know you were using this name elsewhere but I have been using this nick in Jon's Indon forum as well !

kW

kW ,

I have no forum , only as administrator . When I get to know Mike in 2002 , he has already used this nickname .

Jon .

[stickbom!]

Originally Posted by Sportfisherman

Hi Mike ,

Somebody is using your old nick-name !

Jon .

Jon, no more fancy nicknames for me Think I'm better off being known as Ulua_Dreamer

[cudas]

Hi

Are the rods in town yet?

[Juan]

ETA May 2007 i was told just now by TTC

[cudas]

Thanks Juan.
Do you happen to know the approximate price.......

[eeyore]

Originally Posted by JIGW

Hi Uluabuster,
Rods will be out only next week, so no shops yet have stock of it...

Hi JIGW,

So may i know this new popping rod "Caranx Kaibutsu" manufacture in where ?

Understand JigWrex is manufactured in Indonesia in order to bring down the retail cost so will it be the same for this new Shimano product ?

Thank you

[stickbom!]

Eeyore, I'm not really sure whats the real reason for your question but are you aware that some of the pretty high end rods that's meant for the JDM are made in Indonesia? Its definitely not a matter of cost here... Shimano can choose to sell these asian market rods at a much higher price if they want to but they choose to offer us decent gear at RELATIVELY down to earth prices Personally I'm really glad Shimano is doing this because it actually allows anglers with a more conservative budget to fish with quality tackle.

PS, I'm not getting any ad fees/freebies for saying this

[thunnus]

Was happen to drop by to 'A.H' at Bussorah this evening. And got the info that the rods will be coming tommorow. If anyone could drop by to Bussorah and take a look at the rods, please share your review here. Cause right now I'm already thousands kilometer away from there.....

[physlo]

Originally Posted by stickbom!

Eeyore, I'm not really sure whats the real reason for your question but are you aware that some of the pretty high end rods that's meant for the JDM are made in Indonesia? Its definitely not a matter of cost here... Shimano can choose to sell these asian market rods at a much higher price if they want to but they choose to offer us decent gear at RELATIVELY down to earth prices Personally I'm really glad Shimano is doing this because it actually allows anglers with a more conservative budget to fish with quality tackle.

PS, I'm not getting any ad fees/freebies for saying this

Made in Singapore, Batam or JB does not matter. These rods have gone through stringent test before the manufacture decides to produce them. Till now, I have not encountered any bad QC on my Shimano gears. After all, batch after batch, the Jigwrex is selling like hotcakes over here. So are the Basstera. Even the Malaysian made reels are pretty decent for that kind of price. Most importantly, you pay for what you get.

Eh…paiseh-paiseh, I’m not a Shimano salesman or whatsoever but just a regular Shimano products user.

Blah...blah..blah, i think i need a cup of coffee right now. Cheers!

[mark]

Originally Posted by stickbom!

Eeyore, I'm not really sure whats the real reason for your question but are you aware that some of the pretty high end rods that's meant for the JDM are made in Indonesia? Its definitely not a matter of cost here... Shimano can choose to sell these asian market rods at a much higher price if they want to but they choose to offer us decent gear at RELATIVELY down to earth prices Personally I'm really glad Shimano is doing this because it actually allows anglers with a more conservative budget to fish with quality tackle.

PS, I'm not getting any ad fees/freebies for saying this

dude.. i think you over reacted, i dun know who Eeyore is but from reading his post my take is that he is just asking where does the rod mfg in and is probably hopeful that it will retails at a decent price when it hits the market.

also alot of time MNC choose location for their products production not solely because to please end-user with the low price, most of the time its due to logistic purposes as well as having a more sustainable profit margin.

[Makaira]

Originally Posted by stickbom!

Eeyore, I'm not really sure whats the real reason for your question but are you aware that some of the pretty high end rods that's meant for the JDM are made in Indonesia? Its definitely not a matter of cost here... Shimano can choose to sell these asian market rods at a much higher price if they want to but they choose to offer us decent gear at RELATIVELY down to earth prices Personally I'm really glad Shimano is doing this because it actually allows anglers with a more conservative budget to fish with quality tackle.

PS, I'm not getting any ad fees/freebies for saying this

Dude .... Shimano ain't no charitable organization. To locate a manufacturing plant in Indonesia is DEFINITELY ALL A MATTER OF COST --EXTREMELY LOW MANUFACTURING COST . If Shimano produces hi-end JDM rods in Indonesia & sells them at JDM prices, all I can say is that people who buy them need to have their heads examined

Having said that, low cost does not necessarily mean low quality. The JigWrex's are indeed quality rods at a reasonble price (not cheap) and I am sure Shimano makes a healthy profit out of that line of rods. If the JigWrex is anything to go by, I am pretty sure the new line of popping rods will also be a great value for money product.

Opinions differ of course.

[stickbom!]

Originally Posted by mark

dude.. i think you over reacted, i dun know who Eeyore is but from reading his post my take is that he is just asking where does the rod mfg in and is probably hopeful that it will retails at a decent price when it hits the market.

also alot of time MNC choose location for their products production not solely because to please end-user with the low price, most of the time its due to logistic purposes as well as having a more sustainable profit margin.

Yo Mark, I didn't rule out the possibility that Eeyore was genuinely asking about the new popping rod's origins. Which was why I seeked clarification at the start. In any case, sorry if I sounded aggressive in my reply Eeyore. Didn't mean it. Honest

Mak, when I mentioned cost...I didn't mean that Shimano wasn't cutting on cost to manufacture stuff in Indonesia. It's pretty clear cut (even for a no brainer like myself) that labour in Indonesia is very cheap compaired to SG/Japan and for that matter even M'sia. I'm just highlighting the fact that just because a product is made in Indon, doesn't really mean it's going to be retailed at very low price. Anyone who doesn't know that Shimano actually have a rod manufacturing plant in Indonesia might get the wrong impression that the "Asian Market" range of rods might be made by some unknown OEM firm. This might in turn scare a lot of anglers away from these "Indonesian Made" products. I'm not worry about Shimano losing money... just don't want newbies to have the mindset of "the more expensive the better" or "made in indonesia" sucks.

[mark]

Originally Posted by stickbom!

Yo Mark, I didn't rule out the possibility that Eeyore was genuinely asking about the new popping rod's origins. Which was why I seeked clarification at the start. In any case, sorry if I sounded aggressive in my reply Eeyore. Didn't mean it. Honest

No worries Mikey, in all honesty i'm also just offering my point of view for you nothing else

Originally Posted by stickbom!

Mak, when I mentioned cost...I didn't mean that Shimano wasn't cutting on cost to manufacture stuff in Indonesia. It's pretty clear cut (even for a no brainer like myself) that labour in Indonesia is very cheap compaired to SG/Japan and for that matter even M'sia. I'm just highlighting the fact that just because a product is made in Indon, doesn't really mean it's going to be retailed at very low price. Anyone who doesn't know that Shimano actually have a rod manufacturing plant in Indonesia might get the wrong impression that the "Asian Market" range of rods might be made by some unknown OEM firm. This might in turn scare a lot of anglers away from these "Indonesian Made" products. I'm not worry about Shimano losing money... just don't want newbies to have the mindset of "the more expensive the better" or "made in indonesia" sucks.

if you dun mind me chipping in my 2 cents here as well...
i might have gotten it wrongly again, but your earlier post seems to suggest that they are doing us (budget anglers) a favor by having the rod manufactured in Indonesia so that they could offer us a more down to earth price, but IMHO, the main reason has got more to do with their product profit margin, they can probably make even more having it mfg in Indonesia due to production cost, raw materials logistic cost as well as targeted market future shipping cost then to have them mfg in the home country.

but if they are not going to market it at more down to earth price even thou its being manufactured in a country thats got a relatively cheaper operation cost as compared to their home country then wouldn't it be even worst?

No worries so much abt that "Made In Indonesia" sticker that might turn potential user away, i bet with the internet age that we're in today, unless the rod is of inferior quality else there is not way why ppl wouldn't be able to obtain the correct unbaised review of the rod.

of course all of us knows that Shimano produced quite a couple of value for money rods over the years and i dun see why this popping rod wouldn't be another of them but now please just quickly launch the rods to the stores cause ppl had been waiting since early April as promised..


Cheers
Mark

p.s. i'm a proud Shimano product user too

[mark]

Originally Posted by physlo

Made in Singapore, Batam or JB does not matter. These rods have gone through stringent test before the manufacture decides to produce them. Till now, I have not encountered any bad QC on my Shimano gears. After all, batch after batch, the Jigwrex is selling like hotcakes over here. So are the Basstera. Even the Malaysian made reels are pretty decent for that kind of price. Most importantly, you pay for what you get.

Eh…paiseh-paiseh, I’m not a Shimano salesman or whatsoever but just a regular Shimano products user.

Blah...blah..blah, i think i need a cup of coffee right now. Cheers!

Yo Physlo,

agrees that the likes of Jigwrex or Bassterra and potentially the new popping rod (even thou i've not own or used a Jigwrex and probably never will) are very much value for money kinda rods and also the place of mfg if match with correct pricing would usually makes a product sell like a hot cake but the most stringent of test might still have a couple of defective product escaped right under their nose just that Shimano had always had very very good product backup services (i've got my SW20k send to Japan twice and a spare spool replaced without pushing blame or anything and they even extend my warranty just to make it even sweeter) which in my opinion is the most important aspect when i goes for my tackle hunting.

Best Regards
Mark

[Makaira]

Originally Posted by stickbom!

Mak, when I mentioned cost...I didn't mean that Shimano wasn't cutting on cost to manufacture stuff in Indonesia. It's pretty clear cut (even for a no brainer like myself) that labour in Indonesia is very cheap compaired to SG/Japan and for that matter even M'sia. I'm just highlighting the fact that just because a product is made in Indon, doesn't really mean it's going to be retailed at very low price. Anyone who doesn't know that Shimano actually have a rod manufacturing plant in Indonesia might get the wrong impression that the "Asian Market" range of rods might be made by some unknown OEM firm. This might in turn scare a lot of anglers away from these "Indonesian Made" products. I'm not worry about Shimano losing money... just don't want newbies to have the mindset of "the more expensive the better" or "made in indonesia" sucks.

oic ... thanks for the clarification. We certainly don't want new anglers to be misled or start off with this hobby on the wrong foot based on inaccurate or misleading information, do we.

BTW ....... none of us really need to worry about Shimano losing money We should be more concerned about manufacturers making too much money from us should they start charging first world prices from products maufactured in third world locations

[mark]

Originally Posted by Makaira

oic ... thanks for the clarification. We certainly don't want new anglers to be misled or start off with this hobby on the wrong foot based on inaccurate or misleading information, do we.

BTW ....... none of us really need to worry about Shimano losing money We should be more concerned about manufacturers making too much money from us should they start charging first world prices from products maufactured in third world locations

a classic example would have been the Saltiga range of rods? having them manufactured in ROC but yet pricing them like a true blue JDM model and add together with a couple of not too good reports in the net, when it 1st launched, its little wonder why the rod is still resting on the rack

[Makaira]

Originally Posted by mark

a classic example would have been the Saltiga range of rods? having them manufactured in ROC but yet pricing them like a true blue JDM model and add together with a couple of not too good reports in the net, when it 1st launched, its little wonder why the rod is still resting on the rack

Hahahaha!!!! Your post brings back memories to me dude. I remember back when Hock Heng was still the official agent for Daiwa and they finally brought in the Saltiga range of rods. I for one was duely impressed with them and was about to buy the Hiramasa. Picked up the rod from the display stand, played around with it & proceeded to the cashier's counter. The lady was kind enough to say ........ "Hold on .... I go get one from the storeroom for you." Then my eyes caught the little sticker that read "Made in R.O.C." or "Product of R.O.C. or words to that effect. I stopped her in her tracks & told her, "No need liao ...... I have no intention of paying this kind of prices for a made in R.O.C. product. Sorry."

Don't get me wrong ...... I am in no way implying that products made in R.O.C. are inferior. Most people know they produce almost all the world's top brand name laptop computers & Taiwan is one of the most advanced hi-tech maufacturing nations in in the world. But to charge JDM prices for a fishing rod made there, I sort of felt short-changed if I were to buy it at those prices. Opinions differ of course.

Just an interesting question (to me at least) I would like to put out to fellow forummers. Hypothetically speaking, if Carpenter or Smith or Seven Seas or any of those exotic tackle brands are to move their manufacturing facilities to say Indonesia or Malaysia or Thailand, and proclaim that they have the most stringent QC to ensure customers get the best quality, are you still willing to fork out the current prices for their products? I for one would not -- not that I am willing to pay that kind of prices even if they were made in Japan to begin with. How about you?

[thunnus]

Originally Posted by stickbom!

... just don't want newbies to have the mindset of "the more expensive the better" or "made in indonesia" sucks.

Hahahahah...., well said Mikey ! Couldn't agree you more......

[Sportfisherman]

I wonder why you guys are so biased toward where the rods are made , the most important thing is to choose the right rod for the right occasion and at the same time carefully weighing your ability to utilise the rod to it's full potential , I have sold my WV80XH and settled down to TBL711/35RF for that reason .

It does not take a rocket scientists to build rods , the blanks are still made in Japan and likewise the guides + the threads + epoxy coatings , what the Indonesian n Chinese workers do are just binding the guides with the thread and coat them with epoxy coating , all manual works that would cost a lot of money if done elsewhere . This is a slow process and to employ a number of Japanese workers are just plain too prohibitive in term of cost .

Now as for Daiwa or Shimano rods , they are still a bit cheaper than JDM rods of the same quality but what you are paying for is the name and mark up of the shops that sell them , afterall somebody still have to pay for rent , salary , electricity n water rates , etc. to run a business .

Hey guys , take a look at your Nike shoes , you wud be surprise where they are made ! Never heard this is an issue so why fishing tackles ?

Jon .