Shimano Popping rod...

[Makaira]

Originally Posted by mark

Mak.. you're such an a$$ O... pardon my french!!!

mod can just go ahead to delete my post if anyone felt offended.

Cheers

Thank you for the compliment!!!!

[JIGW]

The BM bent butt adapter would probably help abit if anyones wants to try the black magic for that use, to be honest however I havent tried that even though I have the BM mainly because the rear portion that sits between the thighs makes quick movements arnd the deck more cumbersome....I'm using that belt mainly for very heavy bottom or trolling only, of which there is few that can matc its performance....

Regarding casting as part of the design phase, that is just the tip of the iceberg in designing any rod, there are many other aspects that needs to be covered when the rod had to be designed from blank up. E.g. the mandrel taper and diameter needed to obtain the exact blank tip and butt diameter to get the correct gap tolerance for max epoxy bond strength between blank and seat and blank and tip guide(MNST guides comes in limited fixed inner diameters), or the exact combination of carbon types and flag shapes to minimise possibilities of delamination after cyclic loading, the type of material needed to ensure minimal joint wear and tear within the joint and also over the female ferrule to prevent failure, ergonomics and angler leverage advantage, vib resonance affecting recovery etc etc.........the list goes on....mostly too boring to mention though....

Originally Posted by Makaira

Hi JigW,

The Black Magic belt actually has an adaptor with a forward gimbal pin to fit into the slot. I too find the original configuration rather restrictive in that the hypalon has to be shaped rather thinly to fit into the slot and allow the gimbal to reach the gimbal pin. What I like partucularly about the Black Magic system is that it is very convenient because you can simply wear the waist belt without putting on the gimbal plate until needed. If and when you need to use the gimbal, you simply have to hook the gimbal plate on to the two loops. The harness is also much less bulky that other similar systems. If you are familiar with the BM design, you will know what I am talking about. I believe Deep Sea has the adaptor & you can go take a look if you happen to be in the vicinity.


As for the my reservoir observation, I did not mean that the rods were designed for simply casting in stagnant bodies of water. What I meant was throughout the design phase, variants of the prototypes were probably tested for its casting prowess by some hardcore anglers in the popping fraternity here in Singapore who hone their skill through casting sessions at Singapore reservoirs.

Best regards,
Makaira

[Makaira]

Originally Posted by JIGW

Regarding casting as part of the design phase, that is just the tip of the iceberg in designing any rod, there are many other aspects that needs to be covered when the rod had to be designed from blank up. E.g. the mandrel taper and diameter needed to obtain the exact blank tip and butt diameter to get the correct gap tolerance for max epoxy bond strength between blank and seat and blank and tip guide(MNST guides comes in limited fixed inner diameters), or the exact combination of carbon types and flag shapes to minimise possibilities of delamination after cyclic loading, the type of material needed to ensure minimal joint wear and tear within the joint and also over the female ferrule to prevent failure, ergonomics and angler leverage advantage, vib resonance affecting recovery etc etc.........the list goes on....mostly too boring to mention though....

Hi JigW,

Perhaps I should have qualified that my postings in this thread are strictly limited to the longer butt section of the rod relative to other makes of popping rods and it's pros & cons as such.

I am sure all you have mentioned & much more are involved in the overall conception & design of any product from a reputable company like Shimano. I am certainly in no position nor have the techical knowledge to comment on them

Best regards,
Makaira

[JIGW]

Hi Mak,
IMHO all decent tackle should be an extension of the angler. So I think one of the most valuable feedback should still come from the anglers themselves; technical knowledge and know how is still just irrelevant without valuable input from the end users; so actually any feedback on how the rod behaves in actual field conditions is greatly appreciated.

Speaking of which, any fishos who have bought the rod, pls share your feedback after ur trips, irregardless of it being good or bad.

Anyway whatever it is, I think it is very important not to shortchange the customer and to build decent products that we will not be ashamed to sell. No product or company is perfect including S, but bit by bit and step by step we hope to improve our designs to suit the end user better....

Best Regards
jigw

Originally Posted by Makaira

Hi JigW,

Perhaps I should have qualified that my postings in this thread are strictly limited to the longer butt section of the rod relative to other makes of popping rods and it's pros & cons as such.

I am sure all you have mentioned & much more are involved in the overall conception & design of any product from a reputable company like Shimano. I am certainly in no position nor have the techical knowledge to comment on them

Best regards,
Makaira

[mark]

should we have an "i'm affiliated with XXX" somewhere in the user's signature so that end-user can differentiate between the "real" end-user against the "affiliated" user and judge for themselves if the info given is to be taken with a pinch of salt or a big lump of it

cheers
Mark

[JIGW]

Hi Mark,
Sure by all means,
You dont have to do it, I will. I'm affiliated with Shimano and I standby what I believe in and what I have said in the previous msg. But like I often mentioned, fishing tackle is very subjective, you may like a particuliar product or brand or you may not and believe it or not thats really and genuinely fine by me.

As long as whatever reviews of a product you might want to give comes from the basis of actual usage, good or bad its appreciated.

Its just really a pity that a beautiful hobby is often marred by politics in this region, even simples threads like these are often embedded with sublime messages, is there really not enough fish in this region so that we can devote our time to actual fishing instead of this??

If you really want to talk about tackle, I'm all ears, however if you wish or have an axe to grind with me, then ok, you win, but apologies as I've no interest to play that game.

Cheers
Jigw aka blowie
Disclaimer: I'm affiliated to the above mentioned company, so please take whatever I mention with a big lump of salt...I hope this msg clarifies my stance.

Originally Posted by mark

should we have an "i'm affiliated with XXX" somewhere in the user's signature so that end-user can differentiate between the "real" end-user against the "affiliated" user and judge for themselves if the info given is to be taken with a pinch of salt or a big lump of it

cheers
Mark

[edylie]

Lets cool it down guys

Since none of us are politician ... lets concentrate on fishing related discussions.

Best Regards,
Edy

[mark]

Originally Posted by JIGW

Hi Mark,
Sure by all means,
You dont have to do it, I will. I'm affiliated with Shimano and I standby what I believe in and what I have said in the previous msg. But like I often mentioned, fishing tackle is very subjective, you may like a particuliar product or brand or you may not and believe it or not thats really and genuinely fine by me..........

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Hi JigW aka Blowie,

i don't get what you meant by i have a axe to grind with you and certainly don't think there is any to begin with.

a genuine unbiased review whether good or bad sure will and sure should have a place in any forum but a affiliated review even thou its just as important to have should IMHO also be highlighted to others so that its fair for all the user in a public forum to judge for themselves the worth of it else whats the difference from going into the mfg website and read from it? don't you think so? but well, if you think i'm making it difficult for you by requesting an affiliated tag for affiliated user then its fine with me too but why react as if i'm putting your brand down? is it so sensitive to have a i'm affiliated with XXX?

Cheers
Mark

[JIGW]

Hi Mark,
In my previous post I never reviewed the rod, in fact I am asking for reviews good or bad. I am just explaining the ratonale of the design so that it will be used correctly with a matching and balanced gimbal belt system that it was designed for.

If you need a affiliation tag to do that than sure, I'm open with that and have already done so.


Cheers
Jigw

Originally Posted by mark

Hi JigW aka Blowie,

i don't get what you meant by i have a axe to grind with you and certainly don't think there is any to begin with.

a genuine unbiased review whether good or bad sure will and sure should have a place in any forum but a affiliated review even thou its just as important to have should IMHO also be highlighted to others so that its fair for all the user in a public forum to judge for themselves the worth of it else whats the difference from going into the mfg website and read from it? don't you think so? but well, if you think i'm making it difficult for you by requesting an affiliated tag for affiliated user then its fine with me too but why react as if i'm putting your brand down? is it so sensitive to have a i'm affiliated with XXX?

Cheers
Mark