Ultimate Daiwa Ishidai for Jigging?

[MarkR]

I'ZE FACTORY MUGENN-ISHIDAI 40/50 HD

Interesting limited edition overhead reel from Daiwa. Looks "chio" and has an interesting drag mechanism....thicker shaft...15-20kg drag power too...looks like a beefed up Ishidai that will take some real abuse

Wonder if this piece will make it to beach road anytime soon?

PLAT

[Makaira]

Originally Posted by MarkR

I'ZE FACTORY MUGENN-ISHIDAI 40/50 HD



Wonder if this piece will make it to beach road anytime soon?

I am sure it will as soon as you place your order Should be fun jigging for Pacu with this beauty!!!


Can't quite figure out their explanation for how the "drag stopper" works though. Depending on which position it is set at, it looks like it runs the risk of the angler accidentally knocking it to screw up the desired drag setting. I may be wrong, but it seems like they also did away with the offset handle. I wonder how it will affect the cranking of the reel as this reel ain't exactly narrow.

Let us know when your Mugenn-Ishidai gets here

[rain]

This is a limited edition, will only produce 100 pieces up for grab?

[Mephisto Seven]

is it too wide for jigging application?

[edylie]

One of the factor for me is the place where i am jigging ... if it is deep water i would prepare with a bigger width reel so it could hold more line

I have been using Ishidai Z40 for jigging and it works out really well

Regards,
Edy

[pranab]

Originally Posted by Makaira

I am sure it will as soon as you place your order Should be fun jigging for Pacu with this beauty!!!


Can't quite figure out their explanation for how the "drag stopper" works though. Depending on which position it is set at, it looks like it runs the risk of the angler accidentally knocking it to screw up the desired drag setting. I may be wrong, but it seems like they also did away with the offset handle. I wonder how it will affect the cranking of the reel as this reel ain't exactly narrow.

Let us know when your Mugenn-Ishidai gets here

Dear mark ,

I have been watching this reel . But i guess i hv seen in the below given thread from japan tackle .com

Daiwa Mugen Koubou Ishidai 40HD 50HD

They are selling it at USD 1620 which is really beyond my reach . As they are new reels its not possible to get a second hand used one also . So i watched another version of this reel pls look the below link

Daiwa Tournament Ishidai Z 30 40

I mean i feel both are having same drag but i cant understand why they price is so expensive . Although i dont have that much budget for the first reel so i am going for the second one . I got an offer for the second one brand new one with drag 15 KGS for USD 500 which is is well within my budget . By the way i read a few reports on the Z 40 and they say in reality although daiwa claims it to have a drag of 15 kgs please note mark its the same for expensive limited edition model as per the link i giave you .

Beside this a few of my angler friend who tested the drag says in reaity the drag is about 10 kgs not as 15 kgs . But as you already have a DAIWA TOURNAMENT ISHAIDAI Z 40 so you will be in a better position to comment on it .

I best feature of the second reel i mentioned which i like is the line counter and also lightest reel in that class . Would you let me know the website from where i can know more about the model you are buying . I am really intersted to know if they will have a drag of 20 kgs . Are they upgrading carbotex drag as upgrate for these special models like shimano . Normally as far as i know daiwa never uses carbotex . Please let me know if you have more information about both the reels .



Please also let me know how much is the second one going in your area . Does any one know a better price for the second reel .

regards

pdass06@rediffmail.com

[pranab]

Originally Posted by Makaira

I am sure it will as soon as you place your order Should be fun jigging for Pacu with this beauty!!!


Can't quite figure out their explanation for how the "drag stopper" works though. Depending on which position it is set at, it looks like it runs the risk of the angler accidentally knocking it to screw up the desired drag setting. I may be wrong, but it seems like they also did away with the offset handle. I wonder how it will affect the cranking of the reel as this reel ain't exactly narrow.

Let us know when your Mugenn-Ishidai gets here

Dear mark ,

Yes i cross checked you are correct it has got drag upgrade and i think if i am not wrong daiwa is trying to grab torsa market and beat their cam theory . But goshh the price is over the top . I am already starting to envey you man . If you ever think of selling this reel give me a shout he he .

regards

pdass06@rediffmail.com

[pranab]

Hi mark ,

By the way are u selling off the old Z 40 that you have . Or do you know any one who is selling off ISHAIDAI Z 40 please let me know then .

regards

Originally Posted by MarkR

I'ZE FACTORY MUGENN-ISHIDAI 40/50 HD

Interesting limited edition overhead reel from Daiwa. Looks "chio" and has an interesting drag mechanism....thicker shaft...15-20kg drag power too...looks like a beefed up Ishidai that will take some real abuse

Wonder if this piece will make it to beach road anytime soon?

PLAT

[MarkR]

Hi Pranad,

Sure is a nice looking reel but couldn't bring myself to part with the $$$$ for the Mugen

I sold off my saltiga SA40 after it was repaired a couple years back.

BTW, where are you from? Do you get to do much jigging?

Cheers,
mark

[pranab]

Dear Mark ,

I am from india but i live and work in dubai uae . Jigging is completely unheard in this part of the world . Mainly because of shallow water depth . But after having a look at the jigging techq i am hooked to it . We have an area which is deeper but 1 hours drive frm dubai known as mussandam . It has deeper areas approx 80/100 meters . But that area is well known for monster GT and wll known for breaking record number of world top of the line rods like smith,fishermen,carpenter etc etc . People say some of the GT size there is + 60 kgs . But i am more intersted in jigging in this area . Hence i am looking for a ishidai z40 . I just cant afford the mugen . Its completely out of my budget . I can also settled for a used Z40 if some one is selling it in singapore .I have a fishing buddy two fishing buddy from singapre . I konman and the other is chua who is an expert rod builder . Chua works here in dubai but konman is suppose to come shortly from singapre to dubai for a GT hunting trip . So in case any z30,40,50 is up for sales just give me a shout over the email . I would be grateful to you . I can arrange the money through my friends for payment as i pay them here in dubai . By the way what is the price for Z40 going presently in USD in singapore can you let me know . i got a quotation of USD 500 from usa . Its is same price or cheaper in singapore .

regards

[Giant-Todak]

Is Mussadam near Oman?

Heard alot of big gt on popping caught. Fishing cond is like Kodomo.

[pranab]

Originally Posted by Giant-Todak

Is Mussadam near Oman?

Heard alot of big gt on popping caught. Fishing cond is like Kodomo.

Yes giant . Mussandam is in oman . If you guys are intersted i can give a brief report of the area . Actually oman divided into two parts . North and south . The northen tip is cut off by uae from main land oman .

This northern penensula is composed of volcanic mountains thousand years ago . When it erupted the mountains scattered into the sea forming huge drop offs and continental ridges .

Current in this area is also strong . Due to the patchy reef structures and huge drop offs and flowing current in this area GT of size 30+ , 40+ , even 60+ kgs wait at the ledges corner for the fast current to slide their prey from the top of this drop offs .

Current is extremly strong here and fishing season starts from OCT carrys on till end of MAY . Specially during the end of may the closing of the season the fish is very big and they fight like anything . This area has broken the world famous rods from all the major rod manufacturers . Anglers who visit this area needs one day full rest after the trip . Its very demanding physically popping in this area . I do have a few good pics of the fish and topography of this area . If you want i can post them

regards

[pranab]

Dear edylie ,

I am giving here two handles for Z40 . Please let me know which one is more suitable for jigging purpose . Because as you suggested i will go for Z40 but i am yet to finalise the handle part .

Beause some of the american anglers say the circular knob (blue) handle might create problem while jigging .

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The other handle is the T KIND i think you have this one

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would u let me know which handle has what plus and minus points in respect to jigging .

I some how like the first one because its looks very beautiful and it seems it can be extended longer so more cranking power for leverage . But beauty is not all we look for .

The second one T bar kind can be more effective . As you are using the reel let me know the best option .

Or rather i leave it with the orignal oval shapedhandle that comes with the reel .

Would also appreciate if you let me know the cost break up of Z40 AND THE ADDATIONAL HANDLE if i decide to pick that up from singapore as you suggested . My friends keep flying regularly from singapore so in that case i dont have to pay the shipping also .

Awaiting your valuable inputs for my decision .

with regards

pranab

Originally Posted by edylie

One of the factor for me is the place where i am jigging ... if it is deep water i would prepare with a bigger width reel so it could hold more line

I have been using Ishidai Z40 for jigging and it works out really well

Regards,
Edy

[pranab]

Originally Posted by edylie

One of the factor for me is the place where i am jigging ... if it is deep water i would prepare with a bigger width reel so it could hold more line

I have been using Ishidai Z40 for jigging and it works out really well

Regards,
Edy

Dear edylie ,

Yes i am aware of what you mentioned about drag 10 KGS not being achieved . Well even in this forum when mark told that MUGENN-ISHIDAI 40/50 HD u has a drag of 20 kgs i did not belive it . But later saw in plat.jp its really true . Now what i personally feel after reading reviews of this reel from different places that its a general view that it might not stand a drag pressure of 15 KGS as stated .

I have seen lot of reels and its true for all of them unless you your self have a big fish at the other end you can not really make this statment how good is the reel .

I have heard people talking that when you start to fish it initial few days its not so good but after some days of use the drag gets better . Some claim it attains 15 kgs some say its about 12 kgs some say its only 8 kgs .

I have also noticed most of the anglers prefer one brand . And they always support that brand . For example daiwa saltiga spinning did see a few break ups in their stem department . People say its the design which has holes in the stem to make it more beautiful daiwa designers had as an effect made it a weaker stem .

But to me i am very much open minded . I do have daiwa ,shimano and also penn and it feel all of them are good reel .

The best part in Z40 is i like its weight and also its line counter thing . Because to me when a person would go fishing for hours togather its not always possible to look at the coloured PE lines and judge the depth of the jig . Secondly in the harsh ocean enviornment at times your eyes get blurred when we fish in deep areas.Beside this i have compared there are so many good reels like shimano torsa,Ocean jigger ,torium but all of them are much heavier from Z40 . Taking these two things i mean the line counter and the less weight into consideration for me its just a personal choice for Z40 .

But yes i agree with you we have to see the drag thing perform when a big fish hits our line . Dubai is not as developed as far as tackle is concerned . Other wise i could have changed the normal drag washers to carbo drag washers as they do it out in usa . Because thats what shimano uses and thats why some anglers say shimano drag is better than daiwa . Please let me know is this kind of ugrade are possible in singapore . In that case one can buy the reel and straight away can go for the drag upgrade with carbo drag . If its possible in sin how much does that cost .

I keep hearing this tech from my american friends who do this and are quite happy about this upgrade .

With regards