This is a discussion on Tenryu Oceania Light Jigging Rods within the Jigging Style forums, part of the Saltwater Fishing category; New range from Tenryu. Oceania Light Jigging Rods, 100% glass construction. Looks like the 100% glass formulation is the "new ...
New range from Tenryu. Oceania Light Jigging Rods, 100% glass construction.
Looks like the 100% glass formulation is the "new thing" in jigging blank construction. Ripple Fisher has a range that's 100% glass too.
http://fishing.tenryu-magna.com/115ocea.html
Last edited by MarkR; 25-07-2006 at 03:12 PM.
Could it be that they have finally realized that 100% graphite for jigging & high(er) drag settings resulted in way too many breakages and techology has advanced to a point where they can make full glass blanks that are not too heavy in weight? Or maybe they simply want to be different & gone retroOriginally Posted by MarkR
These are light to at best medium rated rods though -- PE 1-4 max.
Last edited by Makaira; 25-07-2006 at 03:55 PM.
Can glass rods actually be light?
thought the weight issue was the main reason why RnD headed towards graphite? if its 100pct glass, how possible will it be for them to reduce the weight now?
Could it be that they have finally realized that 100% graphite for jigging & high(er) drag settings resulted in way too many breakages and techology has advanced to a point where they can make full glass blanks that are not too heavy in weight? Or maybe they simply want to be different & gone retro
Can glass rods actually be light?
thought the weight issue was the main reason why RnD headed towards graphite? if its 100pct glass, how possible will it be for them to reduce the weight now?
Really don't know. Yup, they're for light line classes. These new rods cost more than the Jig Zams and other light carbon/composite jig rods from Tenryu, perhaps they have developed a new way of laying the glass fibres which makes the blank strong but light? Curious to handle one of these.
I may be wrong, (could be a chicken & egg thing), but as far as the advent of use of graphite in fishing rods is concerned, I believe sensitivity to bite detection drove it's development rather than its weight saving properties; albeit the light weight of graphite fibres is another important advantage over glass. Before the introduction of the superlines, mono was the main fare, & because it it's stretchiness, bite detection was a problem, hence graphite rods. With the braided lines these days, even the most "bah" angler would be able to detect a nibble or strikeAs such, the resilience of glass, coupled with perhaps new advances in technology in the way they weave the material that cuts down on weight, glass may come back to the forefront for certain applications.
Not sure if the same thing applies but when I asked a friend in Japan why their glass blanks were so costly, he told me that even for glass, there were many grades and the ones used in ALLIGATOR boat rods were known as "high density glass"... probably just a fancy name but I guess they must be higher grade than the material western rod makers use. Errr I'm not bashing Yankee products hor... so loyal supporters of Sxxker/CalXXar please don't start "hantum-ing" me
OIII!!! Mikey,
How dare you cast doubts on Sxxker/CalXXXr
Heheheehehehehehehe, Just Kidding as usual...
Well, to use an even simpler example, all you need to look at is the use of E-Glass and S-Glass, where S-Glass is supposed to be stronger and lighter (and more expensive) than E-Glass, gram for gram.
Mak has made a real good point on braid making a much bigger difference in bite detection. I also reckon (pure speculation here) that for jigging rods, full glass would allow a faster action, whilst still offering a similar feel to the usual parabolic action rod and would offer good shock absorption properties.
Mikey, didn't Tenryu build that bottom canon you had me looked at out of all glass too, i.e. Magna Glass?.
Saimee
"...a man only hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest..."
Simon & Garfunkel "The Boxer"
Yes... that's magna glass but those are close to a decade old! he he he you just reminded me that its still stuck in JapanHmmm, I might leave that Tallus bottom canon @ your place after the trip... this way I won't have to lug it to & fro! Will use my Jepun Canon for the local bottom scene.
MarkR/Mike,
Have a chance to try out Oceania PE#2-4 and Red tail monster 60 last night, one thing i can proof to you it's damn light. Don't think Oceania as stiff as GM series, something like Zig Jam only.
Hi Cheng,
I was tempted to buy an Oceania but changed my mind after I saw and handled the rod. Yes, the Oceania series isn't heavy but I feel that the rod tip is too whippy and the blank is too large in circumference for a light jig rod. Didn't like the colour scheme either so bought a jig-zam instead
tight lines
Cheng dude,
Are you able to get Fisherman Shotgun and Andaman jigs in Brunei? How about Carpenter sea frog poppers?
Thanks
wahahahaha... Mark, Cheng has friends who hand carry the stuff from Jepun lar. Anything that you can find in Brunei comes from here so it can never be cheaper
Hi Mike,
OIC, thought Fred's store had these in stock after I read something on Bruclass about Carpenter rods. I know SG is a tackle buyers paradise and that it will be difficult to get JDM stuff at a better price even in Japan. Reason I asked is because our local Carpenter agent never seems to have stock of Carpenter lures. I understand the originals get snapped up even before they're shipped over and those that do remain in the store are used as "display only" pieces. Someone ought to tell Konishi-san that anglers here would like to use his lures as much as his rods
hahaha.... and when what little does get onto our shores, agent reserves them for his regulars!!Hi Mike,
OIC, thought Fred's store had these in stock after I read something on Bruclass about Carpenter rods. I know SG is a tackle buyers paradise and that it will be difficult to get JDM stuff at a better price even in Japan. Reason I asked is because our local Carpenter agent never seems to have stock of Carpenter lures. I understand the originals get snapped up even before they're shipped over and those that do remain in the store are used as "display only" pieces. Someone ought to tell Konishi-san that anglers here would like to use his lures as much as his rods
Let's all switch to Zenaq's rods!
Narc bro,
What does one have to do to get a Carpenter original from our local agent? Sign up for a Komodo trip? Well one thing is certain, if I ever go to Komodo, you can bet that it won't be for the GTs
PS. Darn, would love to own one of those "display only" pieces with the handpainted caricature of a naked, sexually attractive female
Narc bro,
What does one have to do to get a Carpenter original from our local agent? Sign up for a Komodo trip? Well one thing is certain, if I ever go to Komodo, you can bet that it won't be for the GTs
PS. Darn, would love to own one of those "display only" pieces with the handpainted caricature of a naked, sexually attractive female
Actually you still have some left right?
I have an artist friend, am sure he can help put in some aesthetic drawings...
Now I understand why there are copy goods in the market... cos the agent is simply either not supplying or selectively supplying them!!
Last edited by Narc; 11-08-2006 at 11:46 AM.
Maybe we should buy some dildos, drill some holes, run a wire through, add swivels/lead weights and attach some hooks. Big Mama GT sure bite and won't let go
In the first place, some of these smaller rod/lure makers are not really interested in mass producing their products because they want to keep a really close eye on QC. With a handful of workers and a small workshop beside his home, Mr konishi aims to produce lures of the highest quality. So there's no way he can ever cope with international demand for his lures. He could start mass producing but would you like to buy a $80 lure with a lousy finishing that chips right to the wood and wiring that comes loose after a single strike from a GT? Bet you don't right? Well, either we wait patiently for more Carpenter lures to arrive or just go back to the humble $18 Yo-Zuri Surface Bull GTs/Surface Cruisers.
While we're on the topic of poppers... anyone here tried Hammer-Heads yet? Seems like Okubo dumped Fisherman for Hammer-Head a while back
Has China invaded Komodo Island too? I can give the GT's a pass if there's Zhang Ziyi lookalikes there for "hire"Narc bro,
What does one have to do to get a Carpenter original from our local agent? Sign up for a Komodo trip? Well one thing is certain, if I ever go to Komodo, you can bet that it won't be for the GTs
PS. Darn, would love to own one of those "display only" pieces with the handpainted caricature of a naked, sexually attractive female
Last edited by stickbom!; 11-08-2006 at 12:57 PM.
Maybe Mr Konishi should spend more time in his workshop and less time out at sea
Mikey, I'm just jealous because our local agent requires a Komodo-visa as a prerequisite for Carpenter originals
Last edited by MarkR; 11-08-2006 at 02:21 PM.
Maybe we should buy some dildos, drill some holes, run a wire through, add swivels/lead weights and attach some hooks. Big Mama GT sure bite and won't let go
In the first place, some of these smaller rod/lure makers are not really interested in mass producing their products because they want to keep a really close eye on QC. With a handful of workers and a small workshop beside his home, Mr konishi aims to produce lures of the highest quality. So there's no way he can ever cope with international demand for his lures. He could start mass producing but would you like to buy a $80 lure with a lousy finishing that chips right to the wood and wiring that comes loose after a single strike from a GT? Bet you don't right? Well, either we wait patiently for more Carpenter lures to arrive or just go back to the humble $18 Yo-Zuri Surface Bull GTs/Surface Cruisers.
While we're on the topic of poppers... anyone here tried Hammer-Heads yet? Seems like Okubo dumped Fisherman for Hammer-Head a while back
Think hammer-heads meant what they are called... 180g to 220g ... so heavy,
meant for strong guys like you.
Pot calling kettle black! You really look like Ah Gu and I'm just a fat slob... and you're claiming I'm strong?
MarkR- Maybe you can try ordering Carpenter lures from Japan? There's a few shops that carries them. Let me know if you hit a dead end there, I'll see what I can do.
Fallen trees hit my phone line can't log in........All jigs n poppers looks nice but prices way too high 2me, my friend back to Japan liao will be back oct. b4 Hari Raya.
Mike,
Do you came across "Gan Craft" Killers-00 model in SG? how much?
No leh Cheng, Gan Craft more for bass fishing right? Saw their ads in my fishing magazines before. Lucky the trees never land on you bro... otherwise no chance to lim kopi with you the next time I fly over to Brunei liaoDun bother buying those chio chio jigs/lures lar... Saimee and Co landed groupers and AJ using Al Cheapo $7 jig! Kaoz I think those jigs are probably $4 in M'sia.
I'm considering a PE5 rod that can handle 150-200g jigs because I still have a retro 1995 Stella 10000H at home. I just loaded the Stella with 450m of 50lb powerpro... consider the Jig Wrex S605 or this baby-
Last edited by stickbom!; 12-08-2006 at 06:21 PM.
From today onward i only know how to fish with this....hahahahha
Staydee poon pi pi! eh Cheng go order wire trolling line from USA and load the Miya Epoch with it.
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