Bluewater Fishing Expedition

stickbom! · 02-03-2006, 09:15 PM

Not much concrete info on specs yet but the reel REALLY looks like a hybrid Jiggger/Marfix/Blue Heaven... but with an affordable USD$250 price tag

That's less than SGD$500

physlo · 03-03-2006, 01:09 PM

Mike,

Anymore info with regards to this reel?

MarkR · 03-03-2006, 03:20 PM

Nice Mike!

So this is the reel that's being made for AG...hmmm

MarkR · 03-03-2006, 05:39 PM

Heard that this reel has twin drags and double AR dogs plus AR bearing, line cap somewhere between the 665N and blue heaven...looking forward to it but must say from first impression that it does not look very funky

benz · 03-03-2006, 07:44 PM

that guy sure looks like thaksin!

edylie · 04-03-2006, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by benz

that guy sure looks like thaksin!

absolutely agreed with you man!!!! a fat thaksin that is

-e

jason · 07-03-2006, 01:46 AM

Any idea on the pricing???
Sure looks nice!!!

Cheers
Jason

stickbom! · 07-03-2006, 09:52 PM

Heard its less than SGD$500

Daveirving · 05-04-2006, 08:49 AM

Hi Guys

Yep the reel will be very cheap and sounds very impressive.

Had a little play with the US version at the weekend (the reel in Mikey's pic)...but the Asian version is not ready yet. The asian version will have 7.5Kg of drag at strike and a max of 15Kg of drag....which for me anyhow, is as much as I can handle without swimming!

AG will be testing the new reel on one of the next Taiwan trips - will keep you posted.

It does look like we will be getting a nice cheap version of the modified 665!

Cheers

Dave

physlo · 05-04-2006, 12:16 PM

Hi Dave,

Do keep us updated on any comments given by the AG guys. Thanks!

Cheers!
physlo

MarkR · 05-04-2006, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daveirving

Hi Guys

Yep the reel will be very cheap and sounds very impressive.

Had a little play with the US version at the weekend (the reel in Mikey's pic)...but the Asian version is not ready yet. The asian version will have 7.5Kg of drag at strike and a max of 15Kg of drag....which for me anyhow, is as much as I can handle without swimming!

AG will be testing the new reel on one of the next Taiwan trips - will keep you posted.

It does look like we will be getting a nice cheap version of the modified 665!

Cheers

Dave

Hi Dave,

Hopefully i'll be in Taiwan end of the month.

Still using the J/Ms + 665/4000P combo?

cheers,

mark

stickbom! · 05-04-2006, 06:56 PM

Bro dun like that leh... post your CRs here lar... I lazy to go FK search high and low :P

Daveirving · 06-04-2006, 11:35 AM

Hi Physlo - Yep will keep you guys updated - the Boss of Pro Gear is keen to fish here again - think he enjoyed catching his first Dogtooth Tuna of about 20Kg although he did lose a couple of others, one which looked about 40Kg.

Hi Mark

So are you coming for the fishing??? FB trip?

yep still using those combos

Hi Mikey

Promise to post my next catch report in this forum!

To summarise -

Lots of dogs - about 10 over 20Kg (most over 30Kg) - biggest 41Kg.

Lots of cobia around the 10Kg size - biggest 12.5Kg

Not as many amberjacks as normal - biggest about 15Kg. Average I would say only abou 7 or 8 per angler.

Usual strange species - flutemouth, barracoutta, coral trout, yellowfin, skipjack, bonito, 2 sailfish (biggest about 45Kg), rainbow runners, small trevally, snappers, etc

Cheers

Dave

MarkR · 06-04-2006, 03:42 PM

Hi Dave,

Yeah with FB hopefully. I don't have many AG jigs, just wondering if you've used other jigs and do they work? Understand also that the jigs need a little lumo paint for Taiwan ya?

cheers,

mark

Daveirving · 06-04-2006, 03:50 PM

Hi Mark

Have never used anything other than AG jigs in Taiwan so can't really comment - I tend not to use anything under about 400g if that's any help and for the amberjacks fast sinking jigs are preferable.

I may be joining you on that trip - just trying to get a response from FB - think they must be away fishing this week!

Cheers

Dave

neub · 06-04-2006, 09:27 PM

Nice looking reel!

stickbom! · 07-04-2006, 12:17 AM

Hi Dave, I was refering to MarkR about posting his Catch Report's here other than in FK. BUT, it would be great for the guys here to know about your excellent jiggy adventures in Taiwan too

MarkR · 07-04-2006, 11:28 AM

Hi Dave,

Think the trip is fully booked out. I myself am trying to squeeze in

Thanks for the information on the jigs. Just curious if the same fast sinking jigs work for the big doggies or if jigs with more action are required.

tight lines,

mark

Daveirving · 08-04-2006, 09:03 AM

Hi Mark

Yep I have also failed to get on that trip...but discussing with William to arrange a trip in May where we totally target dogtooth rather than amberjacks...hope you can make that one instead.

Those jigs work great for doggies!

Dogtooth tuna seem to have very good eyesight and I am positive they often come and look at a jig then refuse to take it. Even with livebait they seem to examine it first before taking it properly. I had one livebait come back last week with perfect Dogtooth Tuna teeth marks in it where it had mouthed the bait, obviously decided it was a bit suspicious and spat it out.

The trick is to move your jig as fast as you possibly can, don't give the fish time to inspect the jig. So personally I would look for a jig with little in built action - built more for speed. Although as with all fishing I will probably be proved wrong on the next trip!!!

Cheers

Dave

MarkR · 08-04-2006, 11:48 AM

Hi Dave,

Yeah, really hope to get to jig with you and Mr Tang or Mr Liu in Taiwan in May. Would be a great experience learning from jiggers who are better than me. I'm sold on overheads as the best bet for deep jigging and the Taiwanese AG guys have got their methods working very well.

Guess you must know about that short compact jig theory for tuna. What's interesting to me is that AG jigs are mostly long and fast sinking but are still good at raising tuna, very different from the hookers which are short and compact. Perhaps as you've suggested it's the speed that's more important.

Oh yes, had a sneak peak at the new PG reel. Looks really nice. I'm sure it will give the Accurates some competition.

tight lines,

mark

tmlim · 12-04-2006, 08:23 PM

Hi,
Although the price of this Pro Gear is rather attractive and I appreciate the efforts invested to make a reel is by no means small. However, I feel that with another $100+ top up, owning a Jigger or Saltiga reel is not remote.

IMO they have to compete with the Japanese, and the Japs are way ahead in research & development on their upper range fishing reels. This is in terms of:
1. reel geometry (physics),
2. material selection,
3. material surface treatment,
4. assembly and fastening technique,
5. optimize mechanical structural strength to mass ratio etc.

These reels often make an 'a-mateur’ angler like me feel good and strong whenever I fight a fish, or lift up a 1kg+ sinker from the bottom. On the other hand, one can accelerate their demise by winching a big fish on the rod holder, illegal modification of the drag to violate its designed maximum failure stress etc.

Of course the above are just my opinions and you can beg to defer.

Best wishes

PS: Stickbom!, are we going down to PR main pond this Friday or Saturday to pump 5 tons of fishes? Looking forward to clear the fridge tonight to make room!

supersky · 13-04-2006, 07:03 AM

Hi MarkR,

Jigging mostly on daytime.. u can try night time bottom fishing with apollo rig if current permit... ichiban!

Do agree with Dave that jig as fast as you possibly can, don't give the fish time to inspect the jig.

But hor one problem.. after few times like this.. ur hand start shaking and the momentum is just some how slow down.. :P

Start train now sure can handle 8 hrs of jigging. Looking forward for ur Catch Report.

Cheers.

MarkR · 13-04-2006, 02:22 PM

Hi Richard,

I agree with what you've said about the mechanical perfection of the Japanese reels. However, I also feel that because of domestic consumer preference, Japanese tackle giants like shimano and daiwa invest more resources in the design of their top of the line spinning reels. Overhead reels appear to be somewhat secondary.

Still on the hunt for that perfect jigging reel with lever drags, oversized helical gears, double dogs + AR bearing, power handle etc., so will be keen to see what pro gear has to offer in the coming months

BTW your explanation on why lever drag OH reels will always feel more difficult to crank was brilliant! Have u tried the Torsa? Yes it's smooth but still can't compare to the Jigger.

Tight lines,

Mark

PS. Will be heading up to Taiwan, any pointers? Thanks!

stickbom! · 13-04-2006, 07:24 PM

eh chin chai lar... just buy a PENN Baja Special can liao :P But seriously the Torsa 16N damn nice. Sell away my Pro Gear buy one pair with my Gene 55M

stickbom! · 13-04-2006, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by tmlim

Stickbom!, are we going down to PR main pond this Friday or Saturday to pump 5 tons of fishes? Looking forward to clear the fridge tonight to make room!

Bludder Lim... 5 tons of fish 10 tons of people 15 tons of lines in the water... too stressful for me. :P Think I will go and try later

07-03-2006, 01:46 AM	#7
jason Moderator Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 718 My Mood: Rep Power: 5	Any idea on the pricing??? Sure looks nice!!! Cheers Jason __________________

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03-03-2006, 01:09 PM	#2
physlo Moderator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Pasir Ris Posts: 712 Rep Power: 4	Mike, Anymore info with regards to this reel?

03-03-2006, 03:20 PM	#3
MarkR Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,030 My Mood: Rep Power: 6	Nice Mike! So this is the reel that's being made for AG...hmmm

03-03-2006, 05:39 PM	#4
MarkR Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,030 My Mood: Rep Power: 6	Heard that this reel has twin drags and double AR dogs plus AR bearing, line cap somewhere between the 665N and blue heaven...looking forward to it but must say from first impression that it does not look very funky

03-03-2006, 07:44 PM	#5
benz Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: sg north Posts: 26 Rep Power: 0	that guy sure looks like thaksin!

07-03-2006, 09:52 PM	#8
stickbom! Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Eastern Sider Posts: 2,004 My Mood: Rep Power: 7	Heard its less than SGD$500

05-04-2006, 08:49 AM	#9
Daveirving Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Yokohama Posts: 53 Rep Power: 4	Hi Guys Yep the reel will be very cheap and sounds very impressive. Had a little play with the US version at the weekend (the reel in Mikey's pic)...but the Asian version is not ready yet. The asian version will have 7.5Kg of drag at strike and a max of 15Kg of drag....which for me anyhow, is as much as I can handle without swimming! AG will be testing the new reel on one of the next Taiwan trips - will keep you posted. It does look like we will be getting a nice cheap version of the modified 665! Cheers Dave

05-04-2006, 12:16 PM	#10
physlo Moderator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Pasir Ris Posts: 712 Rep Power: 4	Hi Dave, Do keep us updated on any comments given by the AG guys. Thanks! Cheers! physlo

05-04-2006, 06:56 PM	#12
stickbom! Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Eastern Sider Posts: 2,004 My Mood: Rep Power: 7	Bro dun like that leh... post your CRs here lar... I lazy to go FK search high and low :P

06-04-2006, 11:35 AM	#13
Daveirving Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Yokohama Posts: 53 Rep Power: 4	Hi Physlo - Yep will keep you guys updated - the Boss of Pro Gear is keen to fish here again - think he enjoyed catching his first Dogtooth Tuna of about 20Kg although he did lose a couple of others, one which looked about 40Kg. Hi Mark So are you coming for the fishing??? FB trip? yep still using those combos Hi Mikey Promise to post my next catch report in this forum! To summarise - Lots of dogs - about 10 over 20Kg (most over 30Kg) - biggest 41Kg. Lots of cobia around the 10Kg size - biggest 12.5Kg Not as many amberjacks as normal - biggest about 15Kg. Average I would say only abou 7 or 8 per angler. Usual strange species - flutemouth, barracoutta, coral trout, yellowfin, skipjack, bonito, 2 sailfish (biggest about 45Kg), rainbow runners, small trevally, snappers, etc Cheers Dave

06-04-2006, 03:42 PM	#14
MarkR Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,030 My Mood: Rep Power: 6	Hi Dave, Yeah with FB hopefully. I don't have many AG jigs, just wondering if you've used other jigs and do they work? Understand also that the jigs need a little lumo paint for Taiwan ya? cheers, mark

06-04-2006, 03:50 PM	#15
Daveirving Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Yokohama Posts: 53 Rep Power: 4	Hi Mark Have never used anything other than AG jigs in Taiwan so can't really comment - I tend not to use anything under about 400g if that's any help and for the amberjacks fast sinking jigs are preferable. I may be joining you on that trip - just trying to get a response from FB - think they must be away fishing this week! Cheers Dave

06-04-2006, 09:27 PM	#16
neub Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: East Posts: 53 Rep Power: 3	Nice looking reel!

07-04-2006, 12:17 AM	#17
stickbom! Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Eastern Sider Posts: 2,004 My Mood: Rep Power: 7	Hi Dave, I was refering to MarkR about posting his Catch Report's here other than in FK. BUT, it would be great for the guys here to know about your excellent jiggy adventures in Taiwan too

07-04-2006, 11:28 AM	#18
MarkR Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,030 My Mood: Rep Power: 6	Hi Dave, Think the trip is fully booked out. I myself am trying to squeeze in Thanks for the information on the jigs. Just curious if the same fast sinking jigs work for the big doggies or if jigs with more action are required. tight lines, mark

08-04-2006, 09:03 AM	#19
Daveirving Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Yokohama Posts: 53 Rep Power: 4	Hi Mark Yep I have also failed to get on that trip...but discussing with William to arrange a trip in May where we totally target dogtooth rather than amberjacks...hope you can make that one instead. Those jigs work great for doggies! Dogtooth tuna seem to have very good eyesight and I am positive they often come and look at a jig then refuse to take it. Even with livebait they seem to examine it first before taking it properly. I had one livebait come back last week with perfect Dogtooth Tuna teeth marks in it where it had mouthed the bait, obviously decided it was a bit suspicious and spat it out. The trick is to move your jig as fast as you possibly can, don't give the fish time to inspect the jig. So personally I would look for a jig with little in built action - built more for speed. Although as with all fishing I will probably be proved wrong on the next trip!!! Cheers Dave

08-04-2006, 11:48 AM	#20
MarkR Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,030 My Mood: Rep Power: 6	Hi Dave, Yeah, really hope to get to jig with you and Mr Tang or Mr Liu in Taiwan in May. Would be a great experience learning from jiggers who are better than me. I'm sold on overheads as the best bet for deep jigging and the Taiwanese AG guys have got their methods working very well. Guess you must know about that short compact jig theory for tuna. What's interesting to me is that AG jigs are mostly long and fast sinking but are still good at raising tuna, very different from the hookers which are short and compact. Perhaps as you've suggested it's the speed that's more important. Oh yes, had a sneak peak at the new PG reel. Looks really nice. I'm sure it will give the Accurates some competition. tight lines, mark

12-04-2006, 08:23 PM	#21
tmlim Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: North Posts: 67 Rep Power: 4	Hi, Although the price of this Pro Gear is rather attractive and I appreciate the efforts invested to make a reel is by no means small. However, I feel that with another $100+ top up, owning a Jigger or Saltiga reel is not remote. IMO they have to compete with the Japanese, and the Japs are way ahead in research & development on their upper range fishing reels. This is in terms of: 1. reel geometry (physics), 2. material selection, 3. material surface treatment, 4. assembly and fastening technique, 5. optimize mechanical structural strength to mass ratio etc. These reels often make an 'a-mateur’ angler like me feel good and strong whenever I fight a fish, or lift up a 1kg+ sinker from the bottom. On the other hand, one can accelerate their demise by winching a big fish on the rod holder, illegal modification of the drag to violate its designed maximum failure stress etc. Of course the above are just my opinions and you can beg to defer. Best wishes PS: Stickbom!, are we going down to PR main pond this Friday or Saturday to pump 5 tons of fishes? Looking forward to clear the fridge tonight to make room!

13-04-2006, 07:03 AM	#22
supersky Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 122 My Mood: Rep Power: 4	Hi MarkR, Jigging mostly on daytime.. u can try night time bottom fishing with apollo rig if current permit... ichiban! Do agree with Dave that jig as fast as you possibly can, don't give the fish time to inspect the jig. But hor one problem.. after few times like this.. ur hand start shaking and the momentum is just some how slow down.. :P Start train now sure can handle 8 hrs of jigging. Looking forward for ur Catch Report. Cheers.

13-04-2006, 02:22 PM	#23
MarkR Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,030 My Mood: Rep Power: 6	Hi Richard, I agree with what you've said about the mechanical perfection of the Japanese reels. However, I also feel that because of domestic consumer preference, Japanese tackle giants like shimano and daiwa invest more resources in the design of their top of the line spinning reels. Overhead reels appear to be somewhat secondary. Still on the hunt for that perfect jigging reel with lever drags, oversized helical gears, double dogs + AR bearing, power handle etc., so will be keen to see what pro gear has to offer in the coming months BTW your explanation on why lever drag OH reels will always feel more difficult to crank was brilliant! Have u tried the Torsa? Yes it's smooth but still can't compare to the Jigger. Tight lines, Mark PS. Will be heading up to Taiwan, any pointers? Thanks!

13-04-2006, 07:24 PM	#24
stickbom! Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Eastern Sider Posts: 2,004 My Mood: Rep Power: 7	eh chin chai lar... just buy a PENN Baja Special can liao :P But seriously the Torsa 16N damn nice. Sell away my Pro Gear buy one pair with my Gene 55M