Bluewater Fishing Expedition

MarkR · 07-07-2006, 01:13 PM

Wonder what fish did this?

mark · 07-07-2006, 02:13 PM

i would probably be more interested in "wonder what blank is this?"

Makaira · 07-07-2006, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkR

Wonder what fish did this?

a fish with a good eating habit ...... cut to small pieces before chewing ..... or a coral head with a 150lb leader wrapped round it ..... reel drag set at 30kg with the boat difting in the current........

Fish_Fingers · 07-07-2006, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkR

Wonder what fish did this?

Probably a sawfish!

MarkR · 07-07-2006, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark

i would probably be more interested in "wonder what blank is this?"

That's for me to know and for you to figure out...muahahahahahahaha

Clue: It's not a Calstar

th2x · 07-07-2006, 02:47 PM

must be a whale lah....

hon-su · 07-07-2006, 07:55 PM

hehehe....looks fine to me......new age PE8 travel stick

zikista · 07-07-2006, 09:38 PM

He must have break it into pieces on purpose, reasons....to get a new jig rod.

ZIKO

hon-su · 07-07-2006, 09:49 PM

Even if he had broken it intentionally, you'll think he wouldnt have to do it 4 times.

IMO.....theres a fault in the binding process and the blank, nearly all the breaks in his rod are at the end of the bindings.....

**RobChang** · 08-07-2006, 12:18 AM

Most "Jia lat' break I've seen. Multiple fracture.

Seems everything went wrong la....Never knew a rod could break like that.

Eye opener bro...

stickbom! · 08-07-2006, 08:29 AM

Must have been a "stage prop" in some charter operators promo video... purposely show rod exploding to make people think there's big fish in the area where they operate!! Sensational catchlines like "PE10 rod explodes into graphite chopsticks! Stella spool flies off!! Saltiga shaft goes into 90 degree bend!!!" hahahahaha

Like what Hon-Su said... the breaks are all situated at the head or tail of threadwork... too much of a coincidence!

Makaira · 08-07-2006, 09:23 AM

Hi guys,

Blank failure due to binding problem could be a possibility. Another reason could be the incorrect positioning of guides along the blank. That is (or was) a spinning stick if I am not mistaken. As such, It is not surprising at all (to me at least) for the breakages to occur where they did because when a blank is stressed, impoper guide placement can result in the guidefoot digging into the blank more than it should thus damaging the blank. And if the angler goes full bore & even if the pressure does not go beyond it's intended rating, the blank can totally disintegrated.

If this is a slow action bend to the butt kind of rod, which I think it could be looking at the last break at the buttwrap, I personally wouldn't expect it to just break into only 2 pieces either .... those tidbits look about right

Opinions diff of course.

Best regards,
Makaira

jason · 08-07-2006, 11:23 AM

Ai ya...The rod break into after the fish first run....So the man Tu Lan blame on the rod and then start breaking the rod with his bare hands....
jhhhhahahahahah!!!!

Cheers
Jason

stickbom! · 08-07-2006, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jason

Ai ya...The rod break into after the fish first run....So the man Tu Lan blame on the rod and then start breaking the rod with his bare hands....
jhhhhahahahahah!!!!

Cheers
Jason

wah! brilliant deduction my dear watson!! could not agree more!!!

MarkR · 08-07-2006, 11:39 AM

Hi fellas,

Good observation Honsu, Makaira's right as well I think. Understand that the problem with that rod was with the guides, could be spacing and I also understand that it's got something to do with the choice of MNSG and NSG selection for certain guides. Have you guys taken a look at the Fisherman Spinoza 5122 jig rods? I think the Spinoza is built with several NSGs.

What a weekend! was onboard White Manta last night and moving out of Nongsa in Batam to Ningpo Maru wreck when we hit an unchartered rock apparently. Lucky we were not far from shore. Boat took considerable damage- one propeller was sheared right off and the rudder wedged into the hull

Trip had to be called off obviously and even though we were just 500m or so from shore it took about a good hour and a half to reach back as we had lost all control over the rudder. The dinghy onboard was used with a lot of effort to try and steer big White Manta back to the marina.

I have arse luck when it comes to diving. In April onboard MV Seaborne, a similar accident happened, we hit a sampan full of local malay fisherman just off sentosa

Better go fishing instead

Makaira · 08-07-2006, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkR

Hi fellas,

What a weekend! was onboard White Manta last night and moving out of Nongsa in Batam to Ningpo Maru wreck when we hit an unchartered rock apparently. .....................

I have arse luck when it comes to diving. In April onboard MV Seaborne, a similar accident happened, we hit a sampan full of local malay fisherman just off sentosa

Better go fishing instead

Dude ..... someone is trying very very hard to send you a message

Uncharted rock my @ss ... sound more like careless navigation. I am sure this is not the first time they have set out from Nonsa.

Randy · 08-07-2006, 03:37 PM

Nicely wrapped rod!

How come one of the feet on the stripper guide is outside the wrap?! looks like a spinning rod so if it is broken under load it should be digging in instead ..hmm

Black blank, CMNSGs, familiar butt wraps... hmm

I am really curious! tell me Mark!

stickbom! · 08-07-2006, 04:27 PM

pssssssst... secret.... that's the prototype MI:IV jigging rod... will self destruct after catching one fish. hahahahaha

sk8 · 08-07-2006, 07:44 PM

I've seen 2 occasions where a rod had broken into 3 pieces but not like this :0

On both those occasions, the anglers were trying to free a snag by pumping the rod up and down on full drag and the top section of the rod had hit the overhead canopy of the boat.

hon-su · 08-07-2006, 07:55 PM

I've seen a rod broke in 3 pieces on its first ever fish.......first dive for the fish.....crack.......but that was poor blank construction as the layers of graphite have air pockets and are separated.....

Any possible warranty claim on the rod???

Nelson · 08-07-2006, 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hon-su

I've seen a rod broke in 3 pieces on its first ever fish.......first dive for the fish.....crack.......but that was poor blank construction as the layers of graphite have air pockets and are separated.....

Any possible warranty claim on the rod???

Can show us the pic on the air pockets? blank makers?

Cheers,

hon-su · 09-07-2006, 08:04 AM

no unfortunately I dont have any pics. Its a Grifton Kamikaze SP120, only worth $100aud. They're not distributing any rods for now until they resolve their quality management issue.

shineshy · 09-07-2006, 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkR

Hi fellas,

Good observation Honsu, Makaira's right as well I think. Understand that the problem with that rod was with the guides, could be spacing and I also understand that it's got something to do with the choice of MNSG and NSG selection for certain guides. Have you guys taken a look at the Fisherman Spinoza 5122 jig rods? I think the Spinoza is built with several NSGs.

May i know, wats MNSG & NSG ?

Giant-Todak · 09-07-2006, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shineshy

May i know, wats MNSG & NSG ?

Hi shineshy,

I believe the MNSG and NSG are different model of guides from Fuji. Different guides serve different purpose, different kinds of rods.

NSG - Gun Smoke Frame, Silicon Carbide Ring

MNSG - Gun Smoke deep pressed frame, Silicon Carbide Ring

I have attached the pics for it. Hope this helps.

Blackmarlin · 09-07-2006, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hon-su

hehehe....looks fine to me......new age PE8 travel stick

hahahaha that a reel good one. Didnt travel often so never thought of it.

07-07-2006, 02:13 PM	#2
mark Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 244 My Mood: Rep Power: 4	i would probably be more interested in "wonder what blank is this?" __________________ It doesn't takes a saint to catch and release

07-07-2006, 09:38 PM	#8
zikista Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 185 My Mood: Rep Power: 4	He must have break it into pieces on purpose, reasons....to get a new jig rod. ZIKO __________________

08-07-2006, 08:29 AM	#11
stickbom! Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Eastern Sider Posts: 2,002 My Mood: Rep Power: 7	Must have been a "stage prop" in some charter operators promo video... purposely show rod exploding to make people think there's big fish in the area where they operate!! Sensational catchlines like "PE10 rod explodes into graphite chopsticks! Stella spool flies off!! Saltiga shaft goes into 90 degree bend!!!" hahahahaha Like what Hon-Su said... the breaks are all situated at the head or tail of threadwork... too much of a coincidence! Last edited by stickbom! : 08-07-2006 at 08:31 AM.

08-07-2006, 11:23 AM	#13
jason Moderator Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 718 My Mood: Rep Power: 5	Ai ya...The rod break into after the fish first run....So the man Tu Lan blame on the rod and then start breaking the rod with his bare hands.... jhhhhahahahahah!!!! Cheers Jason __________________

08-07-2006, 11:39 AM	#15
MarkR Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,027 My Mood: Rep Power: 6	Hi fellas, Good observation Honsu, Makaira's right as well I think. Understand that the problem with that rod was with the guides, could be spacing and I also understand that it's got something to do with the choice of MNSG and NSG selection for certain guides. Have you guys taken a look at the Fisherman Spinoza 5122 jig rods? I think the Spinoza is built with several NSGs. What a weekend! was onboard White Manta last night and moving out of Nongsa in Batam to Ningpo Maru wreck when we hit an unchartered rock apparently. Lucky we were not far from shore. Boat took considerable damage- one propeller was sheared right off and the rudder wedged into the hull Trip had to be called off obviously and even though we were just 500m or so from shore it took about a good hour and a half to reach back as we had lost all control over the rudder. The dinghy onboard was used with a lot of effort to try and steer big White Manta back to the marina. I have arse luck when it comes to diving. In April onboard MV Seaborne, a similar accident happened, we hit a sampan full of local malay fisherman just off sentosa Better go fishing instead Last edited by MarkR : 08-07-2006 at 11:43 AM.

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07-07-2006, 02:47 PM	#6
th2x Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Singapore Posts: 123 My Mood: Rep Power: 3	must be a whale lah....

07-07-2006, 07:55 PM	#7
hon-su Moderator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Perth, WA, Australia Posts: 140 Rep Power: 4	hehehe....looks fine to me......new age PE8 travel stick

07-07-2006, 09:49 PM	#9
hon-su Moderator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Perth, WA, Australia Posts: 140 Rep Power: 4	Even if he had broken it intentionally, you'll think he wouldnt have to do it 4 times. IMO.....theres a fault in the binding process and the blank, nearly all the breaks in his rod are at the end of the bindings.....

08-07-2006, 12:18 AM	#10
RobChang Service Provider Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: west Posts: 58 Rep Power: 4	Most "Jia lat' break I've seen. Multiple fracture. Seems everything went wrong la....Never knew a rod could break like that. Eye opener bro...

08-07-2006, 09:23 AM	#12
Makaira Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 709 Rep Power: 5	Hi guys, Blank failure due to binding problem could be a possibility. Another reason could be the incorrect positioning of guides along the blank. That is (or was) a spinning stick if I am not mistaken. As such, It is not surprising at all (to me at least) for the breakages to occur where they did because when a blank is stressed, impoper guide placement can result in the guidefoot digging into the blank more than it should thus damaging the blank. And if the angler goes full bore & even if the pressure does not go beyond it's intended rating, the blank can totally disintegrated. If this is a slow action bend to the butt kind of rod, which I think it could be looking at the last break at the buttwrap, I personally wouldn't expect it to just break into only 2 pieces either .... those tidbits look about right Opinions diff of course. Best regards, Makaira

08-07-2006, 03:37 PM	#17
Randy Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: California, USA Posts: 12 Rep Power: 0	Nicely wrapped rod! How come one of the feet on the stripper guide is outside the wrap?! looks like a spinning rod so if it is broken under load it should be digging in instead ..hmm Black blank, CMNSGs, familiar butt wraps... hmm I am really curious! tell me Mark!

08-07-2006, 04:27 PM	#18
stickbom! Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Eastern Sider Posts: 2,002 My Mood: Rep Power: 7	pssssssst... secret.... that's the prototype MI:IV jigging rod... will self destruct after catching one fish. hahahahaha

08-07-2006, 07:44 PM	#19
sk8 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New Zealand Posts: 14 Rep Power: 0	I've seen 2 occasions where a rod had broken into 3 pieces but not like this :0 On both those occasions, the anglers were trying to free a snag by pumping the rod up and down on full drag and the top section of the rod had hit the overhead canopy of the boat.

08-07-2006, 07:55 PM	#20
hon-su Moderator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Perth, WA, Australia Posts: 140 Rep Power: 4	I've seen a rod broke in 3 pieces on its first ever fish.......first dive for the fish.....crack.......but that was poor blank construction as the layers of graphite have air pockets and are separated..... Any possible warranty claim on the rod???

09-07-2006, 08:04 AM	#22
hon-su Moderator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Perth, WA, Australia Posts: 140 Rep Power: 4	no unfortunately I dont have any pics. Its a Grifton Kamikaze SP120, only worth $100aud. They're not distributing any rods for now until they resolve their quality management issue.

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