The strength of FG and GT knots

[cwtan12]

I tested the FG and GT knots I tied last week using Okuma Jig Giant PE5 (Should be the same as YGK jigman ultra X and also Whipsplash PE7 with JM FC #27 by pulling. For FG knots, the breakage using both lines was always about 55lbs. Burst at the end of the leader all the time. My GT knots burst at around 40-50lbs. Anyone gets higher breakage strength? Just want to know whether any way to improve the strength.

[gpac]

Hi, been using the FG/mid knot exclusively for about 2 years. I did notice that the optimum number of cross wraps is around +/- 15 depending on the diameter of the braid. Too little results in inadequate grip surface and too much prevents the grip from closing unevenly round the mono. Experiment a little. For whiplash pe3 and pe5 to 60 to 100lb soft mono leaders, I 'm using 15 and 16 wraps respectively followed by 5 half hitches - tighten - another 5 half hitches - tighten again - leave out mono tag end , then 10 to 20 half hitches around the standing braid (depending on mood) and cut off mono tag end. impt note: lines are heavily lubricated before tightening. tied properly, the braid should be the first to burst. Point to note is that the mono end will burst within the knot if it was twisted during the tightening process. An indicationof the mono twisting is when the finished knot appears to twist to one side. A correct tied one is always stiff and straight. - cheers

[galanted]

55ibs is over 20kgs. Bro, do you fish with 20 over kgs of drag set?

[cwtan12]

Originally Posted by galanted

55ibs is over 20kgs. Bro, do you fish with 20 over kgs of drag set?

No i fish with around 18-20lbs drag set. Why?

[galanted]

Originally Posted by cwtan12

No i fish with around 18-20lbs drag set. Why?

Your knots already met your requirements, do you still need that much of an improvement? Would you agree that a good knot should be the simplest to tie as you may need tie it on board in a rocky environment and if your PE5 line holds up to 55ibs, i find it's pretty reasonable already.

Where did you line break while you pull test it? Main Line or at the Knot just after the leader leaves the hitches?

[cwtan12]

Originally Posted by galanted

Your knots already met your requirements, do you still need that much of an improvement? Would you agree that a good knot should be the simplest to tie as you may need tie it on board in a rocky environment and if your PE5 line holds up to 55ibs, i find it's pretty reasonable already.

Where did you line break while you pull test it? Main Line or at the Knot just after the leader leaves the hitches?

No. Whipsplash is 80lbs and Okuma Jig Giant PE5 is rated at 78lbs. They all break at about 55lbs at the place where the leader leaves the hitches. The reason I ask this is I am thinking to change to slightly thinner main line if I can improve the knot. Lighter line is easier to work with and I can have more line in my spools.

[stingrray]

FG knot if done right will hold. Below are 2pics from "Himantura Chaoprraya" aka 'Freshwater Stingray' fishing. 80lbs braided joint with 250lbs jinkai mono by FG knot. The knot didn't fail. See the bend of the boat rod





cheers,
stingrray

[DaFrogman]

Thats a pretty bend on that rod dude, but in the pics, it looks like you are at leader already and the braid is not in play. Was the rod bent like that when the braid was still in the water?. Thats a TLD 30II right?.

I have not yet had an FG/Midknot fail on me, but it is a somewhat complicated and time consuming knot to tie. I have tied it on the boat a few times, but during a hot bite, it would not be practical.

Regards,

Saimee

[chnglb]

Hi Saimee,

Sorry OT a bit. What quick knot would you recommend during "hot bite"?
Uni to uni?

Cheers.

Joshua

[cwtan12]

Originally Posted by DaFrogman

Thats a pretty bend on that rod dude, but in the pics, it looks like you are at leader already and the braid is not in play. Was the rod bent like that when the braid was still in the water?. Thats a TLD 30II right?.

I have not yet had an FG/Midknot fail on me, but it is a somewhat complicated and time consuming knot to tie. I have tied it on the boat a few times, but during a hot bite, it would not be practical.

Regards,

Saimee

For a slow person like me, I just bring more tackles to overcome that problem. I don't want to waste a single minute tying knots during hotbite. Just dump the one with burst line aside and take the spare set to use. Retie or respool the line when the boat is changing location. I guess many of us here are also the same. That's why the number of tackles brought look scary in most Catch Report i saw.

[DaFrogman]

Originally Posted by cwtan12

For a slow person like me, I just bring more tackles to overcome that problem. I don't want to waste a single minute tying knots during hotbite. Just dump the one with burst line aside and take the spare set to use. Retie or respool the line when the boat is changing location. I guess many of us here are also the same. That's why the number of tackles brought look scary in most Catch Report i saw.

Thats real true dude, rerig as the boat is moving between spots.

For a faster knot to tie during a hot bite, the uni-uni, Albright, Stren J Knot basically simpler knots that you are confident tying and can tie well..... maybe even the tiny SPRO swivels, but be warned, it can be tough to tie anything more than 80lb leader on these tiny but very strong swivels...

Regards,

Saimee