Saltiga GT6k vs Boss 870

[tuna]

I just came back from a trip and experienced the following. The Saltiga GT6k with 6.5k spool has not much more cranking power than my Conquest 300. The Boss 870 narrow high speed that I brought along for the trip easily out crank the Saltiga.

I am in a dilemma now. I have plan to upgrade the GT6k to the Dogfight which has higher speed but may have even less cranking power. This reel will have to serve me until the next generation SW is launched. Do I upgrade?

How

[Makaira]

Hi Tuna,

Imho, to compare cranking power between a spinner and an overhead is like comparing apples to oranges; regardless of gear ratios.

An overhead will always "out-winch" a spinner simply by virtue of its design. For spinners, even if it isn't a 6:1 reel, without the pump & wind action, it is very, very difficult to gain line with a fish on, unless it is a tiddler. One has to bear in mind that "pump & wind" is also necessary when using a hi-speed overhead to efficiently gain line on a good fish. So, regardless of whether you are using a spinner or an overhead, it all boils down to getting the techinque right to make full use of a reel. Opinions differ of course.

Hope this helps.

Best regards,
Makaira

[MarkR]

Fully agree with Mak that an overhead will outwinch a spinner. Although "new-age" spinners are very well designed, line is still wound at an angle on a spinner.

[Narc]

I'll third what Makaira had said.

Anyway, you had plans to get a Dogfight with intention of using it for jigging?

[Makaira]

Originally Posted by Narc

I'll third what Makaira had said.

Anyway, you had plans to get a Dogfight with intention of using it for jigging?

Dude ..... ain't you suppose to be "noodling" for YellowFin Tuna by now?????

[tuna]

Originally Posted by Narc

I'll third what Makaira had said.

Anyway, you had plans to get a Dogfight with intention of using it for jigging?

The dogfight primary duty will be for popping but will have to backup as jigging reel until the new SW20+k is launched.

I understand the cranking deficiency of spinning reel compare to overhead. I just did not know that the difference is so big. I really admire the Hot's Keitan guy who jigs with only higher speed spinners - SW8000HG & SW10000HG.

My concern is that if I swapped to a dogtooth now, will I get even less cranking power?

How

[Makaira]

Hi Tuna,

Imho, I don't think cranking power is really the issue here. Jiggers who have their technique worked out will not have a problem using a HG or a PG reel.

All things being equal, straight cranking power between a HG & a PG will go in the favour of a PG. So the answer to your question is yes, you will have less cranking power; by that I mean straight winching power; if you go for a higher speed reel. But if you adapt your technique accordingly, there will not be that much of a difference when fighting a fish or even working a jig. For higher speed reels, be it a spinner or or overhead, I simply take shorter upstrokes & correspondingly fewer cranks on the downstroke. I have not made any caculations, but even with the fewer cranks, I figure the line gain will average out to be the same versus more cranks of a lower speed reel because a high speed reel takes in more line per revolution versus a lower speed reel.

So the question for you is if the Saltiga 6K is serving you well for the moment & you have a real concern about the perceived lower cranking power of the Dogfight, why would you want to swop to begin with? Your current reel will serve you better for popping as well as jigging than a DF will imho. Just wait for the new SW20K before getting a new reel ..... if there ever is going to be a new SW20K to begin with

BTW .... do you currently have the Z6000 or the Z6000GT? You mentioned in your initial post that you have a GT6K and if by that you meant the Z6000GT, than it has the same 6.2:1 gear ratio as a Dogfight. However, if you have the Z6000 with the gear ratio of 4.3:1 and you are having problems with cranking power, then swopping it for a Dogfight could be a problem for you.

Best regards,
Makaira

[tuna]

Hi Makaira,

I have my lazy man jigging style. I leave the rod in the rod holder and crank from there. Works very well with doggies. I had the Saltiga 6K which I sold to a good friend and am now left with the GT6k besides smaller SWs.

Correct me if I am wrong, the dogfight has higher speed than the GT, which gives rise to my concern. I have the intention to swop for a dogfight cos a few sources have informed me that the dogfight is strengthened compare to the older 6k & GT6k. The most obvious being no holes on the reel seat shaft. If someone can enligthen me that the change is merely cosmetics, I will not want to change cos I will have to get another 2 dogfight spools to replace my two 6500 spools.

How

[MarkR]

Hi Tuna,

I believe the Saltiga dogfight and Saltiga GT have the same gear ratios. However, Daiwa does provide information that the dogfight takes up more line per handle turn 142cm vs 128.3cm with the GT.

I may be wrong but I think the difference is due to the longer handle arm on the dogfight. Similarly, Saltiga 6000 and 6500exp have the same gear ratios but 6500exp is listed as taking up more line per handle turn.

Some people say that the holes on the dogfight are still there and have only been plugged...Dogfights seem to be holding pretty well though

[Makaira]

Originally Posted by tuna

Hi Makaira,
I have my lazy man jigging style. I leave the rod in the rod holder and crank from there.

Hi Tuna,

I do that occasionally too. For that style of jigging, an overhead will definitely be a more efficient reel. Now I understand why find your Saltiga lose out in cranking power to even your Conquest 300. Just a suggestion .......for your jigging style, perhaps you can consider getting an Ocea Jigger or one of the larger Accurate Boss as your dedicated jigging reel instead of a spinning reel.

Best regards,
Makaira

[Narc]

Originally Posted by tuna

Hi Makaira,

I have my lazy man jigging style. I leave the rod in the rod holder and crank from there. Works very well with doggies.
How

hahahaa.... That's a first for effective dogtooth fishing!!!

*hails! the new jigging king!

[tuna]

Originally Posted by Makaira

Hi Tuna,

for your jigging style, perhaps you can consider getting an Ocea Jigger or one of the larger Accurate Boss as your dedicated jigging reel instead of a spinning reel.

Best regards,
Makaira

I do have an accurate 870 high speed narrow, a 665 narrow and a torsa 16. All these are powerful reels. Limited baggage allowance means that I cannot bring many reels for each trip. Spiining has greater versatility when it comes to casting. I am totally hopeless in baitcasting.

Well, I will just have to balance my fishing requirements when choosing my reels for each trip.

Thanks for all the feedback.

How

[mark]

well, since you own a couple of overheads then i guess you'll be better off using them while doing your type of jigging. as for the cranking between 6k GT and Dogfight i guess you'll hardly feel any difference even if there is, its just going to be pretty marginal but i bet you'll crank alot better if you would do jigging like what the conventional/ordinary guys did which is the pump and crank method.

and Narc, the other tried and proven way for Dogtooth Tuna jigging is attaching a pc of bait on your assist hook, dun believe? go watch some Taiwan or most recent Kingfisher DVD

[DaFrogman]

Originally Posted by tuna

Hi Makaira,

If someone can enligthen me that the change is merely cosmetics, I will not want to change cos I will have to get another 2 dogfight spools to replace my two 6500 spools.

Tuna dude,

I believe that your 6500 Spools will be interchangebale with the Dogfight.

That said, I don't see too much of an advantage of a Dogfight over a 6000GT. Structurally, I have yet to hear of a 6000GT reel body breaking.

As for cranking power, well nuf said by the my masters of tackle bling above. I still scratch my head everytime some new guy on the boat tells me he wants to bottom fish with his Stella 20K....

Good luck,

Saimee

[Narc]

Originally Posted by DaFrogman

As for cranking power, well nuf said by the my masters of tackle bling above. I still scratch my head everytime some new guy on the boat tells me he wants to bottom fish with his Stella 20K....

Good luck,

Saimee

Guess there are really many out there who are passionate about fishing and at the same time deprived of gym workout sessions....

[MarkR]

Originally Posted by mark

the other tried and proven way for Dogtooth Tuna jigging is attaching a pc of bait on your assist hook, dun believe? go watch some Taiwan or most recent Kingfisher DVD

May be a good way to determine once and for all if there are really massive doggies at that drop-off in Bali. If the heavy jigs don't work after a couple of drops...some bait might just do the trick and wake those monsters from their slumber...

[mark]

Roger that.. i'll pack 20kg worth of tongkol into my luggage for my next doggies trip.

[Makaira]

Originally Posted by MarkR

May be a good way to determine once and for all if there are really massive doggies at that drop-off in Bali. If the heavy jigs don't work after a couple of drops...some bait might just do the trick and wake those monsters from their slumber...

What a blasphemous suggestion!!!!!!! You are hereby sentenced to 100 whips from a noodle rod!!!!!!!!

[MarkR]

Originally Posted by Makaira

What a blasphemous suggestion!!!!!!! You are hereby sentenced to 100 whips from a noodle rod!!!!!!!!

Guilty as charged...i'm a closet baiter after all...100 lashes from a bottom canon!!!!!!

[Narc]

Originally Posted by MarkR

Guilty as charged...i'm a closet baiter after all...100 lashes from a bottom canon!!!!!!

That's a northerly sickness....
... and the next stage of cotamination would be catches for sale

tsk tsk....

Wonder why we havent have it on the classifieds yet!

[tuna]

Originally Posted by mark

but i bet you'll crank alot better if you would do jigging like what the conventional/ordinary guys did which is the pump and crank method.
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I do the "matsutani" style of jigging as well. But to entice doggies, the jig movement has to be very fast. For me, the doggies normally attack the jig on the way down or upon very fast retrieval up. Using the rod holder allows me to reel in faster.

Also, if I get a dogfight, i still have to get the black spools to replace the blue 6500 spools. Daiwa definitely knows how to make money out of us.

How

[Makaira]

Originally Posted by MarkR

Guilty as charged...i'm a closet baiter after all...100 lashes from a bottom canon!!!!!!

Lashes???? What lashes???? If it was a bottom cannon, I can think of a more "invasive" form of punishment ......



WAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! The two smilies are in perfect co-ordination!!!

P.S. Sorry for the side-track on your post ... just a little humour among friends

[Narc]

Originally Posted by tuna

Also, if I get a dogfight, i still have to get the black spools to replace the blue 6500 spools. Daiwa definitely knows how to make money out of us.

How

Dogfight comes with standard black coloured spool.