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This is a discussion on Rod blanks for bottom bashing within the Rods & Reels forums, part of the After Hours category; i am thinking of custom make a new rod for my Torsa ( can be consider heavy bottom set rite). My ...
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11-06-2006, 11:20 PM
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My Mood:  Rep Power: 3  |  Rod blanks for bottom bashing i am thinking of custom make a new rod for my Torsa ( can be consider heavy bottom set rite). My current choice is Calstar blanks. Either the "E" glass composite blanks or the fiberglass blanks. Anyone using calstar blanks here can give some gd recommendation? I looking probably around PE 8 above, Max 6" length. One thing abt these blanks is tat their are rather thick, thus the end product would be like holding a "mini tree trunk" on my hands. Basically i am someone who likes to hold n feel the rod, so I guess the weight would pull me down. Can i ask.. 1) 40-80 / 50-100 lbs is consider around which PE class huh ? 2) if i am to use AFTCO slip-over reel seats, would tat make e already "mini tree trunk" a upsize ? I was told recently, if i wan a decent weight rod. Might as well get e shimano Blue Rose PE10 BC model -- SGD 6++. Was told tat this is a bottom bashing rod not a jigging rod. Any feelback for this ? Else mayb all seniors here, can give me some gd pointers of which blanks i shld chose.. Thks alot  |
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11-06-2006, 11:45 PM
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Rep Power: 5 | Well, a Torsa can certainly be considered "heavy", but whether it is a heavy bottom (or effective jigging) reel or not, that is still to be determined  If rod weight is your concern, you can consider GUSA or the G.Loomis blanks. However, being 100% graphite, you will run a higher risk of breakage. If you are a rough & tumble kind of guy & your rod gets knocked about when fishing, a good compromise would be the hybrid / composite blanks like the Calstar GF series. IMHO, they are not as bad as mini tree trunks lar ...... They do weigh significantly more the the graphite rods though.Whether a purpose built jigging rod serves as a good bottom bashing stick or not is debatable. Many anglers do use them for bottom fishing & are happy with it. If I am not wrong, the Blue Rose is a jigging stick. Jigging Gurus like Stickbom would be able to provide more insight on such matters. As for the ratings, since PE conversion to poundage is roughly a ratio of 1:10, a 40-80 rating should be a PE4-8. Hope this helps |
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12-06-2006, 03:47 AM
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My Mood: Rep Power: 3 | well, i dono how true it is, was told for blue rose series, PE8 above is not consider a Jigging rod.. strange rite.. as for the "mini tree trunk" , is more like..i don really wan to see e rod as u noe..end up becoming like those short heavy duty tuna rod with roller guide. Those u probably using for a BOSS ATD 50 / 80 kind of stuff...hehe |
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12-06-2006, 07:41 AM
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Rep Power: 3 | The entire Blue Rose range irregardless of PE class consists purely of jigging rods and are not designed for bottom fishing. You probably could use a blue rose for bottom fishing, but the long butt would make it quite cumbersome to use......unless you wish to shorten the butt......But for the money and trouble you would probably be better off doing a custom job like what you planned originally.... Quote:
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12-06-2006, 09:31 AM
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My Mood:  Rep Power: 4  | Shineshy dude, Ok, I for one do use the Calstar tree trunks for my bottom bashing. I just had another GF755H rated 40-80 built with all Sic guides and a graphite reel seat to go with my 665HXM. When I had the rod built, I told Ben in AO to make her as light as possible, but I decided against the use of Fuji Titanium guides cos the weight savings versus cost didn't seem that awesome to me. My other Calstars are of the cowboy tuna standup variety.... Ask Mikey, he has seen them and he now has an inkling of why I use them  .All my bottom bashing rods have shorter butt grip sections and longer foregrip sections, since we rarely use full harnesses and generally place the rod butt in a small gimball plate or use a gimball "mushroom" like I like to do. This places the reel in a more accessible area for me to crank. Calstars are pretty good fishing the upper range of their ratings, which is why the GF760L was considered by many to be a good jigging blank for PE8. I don't think you would have a problem running 80lb braid on the blanks I will mention below. I would look more at the drag ratings of your reel, if you are using a Torsa with the standard LRS cam, then it will churn out about 8lbs at strike and a max of around 20lbs at full. The BFS50 would be a better cam for bottom bashing, with around 17lbs of drag at strike and over 30 at full (which is pretty close to my usual drag setup). I reckon that a GF760M or 755H (GFs are composite) would fit the bill nicely for your usage. The 755H I use has hammered a bunch of nice fish and when I say hammered they came up fast on heavy drags. I also like the T6455 series (all fibreglass rods), they have a softer action than the GF series and are easier on your back in a prolonged fight, but they weigh more. Makaira is a Calstar fan too.... he may chime in more. Mikey may have something to say on the Blue Rose option. Regards, Saimee
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12-06-2006, 09:59 AM
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My Mood: Rep Power: 3 | GF760M which is 40-100 6' length. think tat sounds okie. Btw wat action group does tis "E" glass rod belongs to? it stated "Tuna" which i don understand.. Toking abt reel seat, it there a limit of which graphite reel seat can handle when subject to heavy impact. or would Aluminium reel seat like the AFTCO i mentioned --a better choice for load n a better tightening system. i would get the BFS50 when my friends goes Aust this month, tats if he does go. |
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12-06-2006, 10:44 AM
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Hi Shineshy, The GF series are composites, not full E glass blanks. The tip section is E-glass; graduating to graphite less than halfway down the blank. Action-wise, I would classify them as fast action. They are not bend-to-the-foregrip kind of blank & if they do, you are probably in on a monster fish at very high drag setting. As far as reelseat is concerned, I personally use either Aftco or Perfection because the reels I used for these rods all come with reel-clamps. I don't like using reel-clamps on graphite seats as they will damage the graphite & I have this constant phobia of crushing the blank should I accidentally overtightened the clamp. That's just me Tightening system-wise, metal reelseats suck compare to graphites. The constant boat engine vibration will loosen the tightening rings of a metal reelseat unless you stop it with a rubberband or sleeve of some sort. Metal reel seats will need more maintenance though, as with all metal in saltwater use. Strengthwise, I guess both metal & graphite seats are probably equally strong. Have not heard of reel flying out of a broken graphite seat before BTW, why are you getting the Torsa from Australia?? With the current "price war" we are having in Singapore, I would be surprised if you can get a better price downunder, eventhough the Sing$ has strengthened somewhat in the past few months. Check around local tackle shops for prices before buying it overseas. Hope this helps. Best regards, Makaira | |
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12-06-2006, 11:20 AM
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My Mood: Rep Power: 3 | Torsa at Aust ? no lar..i referring to the drag cam.. |
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12-06-2006, 12:20 PM
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13-06-2006, 08:07 PM
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Rep Power: 0 |  Blue Rose PE10 Quote:
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13-06-2006, 08:09 PM
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expert blanks ? where issit from...got more infor ?? | |
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13-06-2006, 11:47 PM
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My Mood:  Rep Power: 3 | How about Snyder Glas blank game IGFA line class RT2480 or Flame Wrap series FW-12 stroker style.my kakis landed 162kg six gill shark with it , he set up the rod by himself without proper spine, guide measurement yet it's cheap, can get it from Sabre. |
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14-06-2006, 12:47 AM
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My Mood: Rep Power: 3 | Extended Game IGFA Line Class RT2480 Length - 2.0 meters Line weight -24kg .. roughly how much is the blank. 2m think will nid to chop off some. thinks rather to long |
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14-06-2006, 02:02 PM
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14-06-2006, 09:18 PM
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My Mood: Rep Power: 3 | Should be around $100+-, Reminding you that Snyder Glas spec different from US spec, when they stated 10-15kg which means PE#6-7 liao, i ordered 37kg b4 when it arrived i feel like GREAT WHITE ROD, finally give to uncle bob making gaff. |
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15-06-2006, 04:31 AM
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15-06-2006, 04:37 AM
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15-06-2006, 01:05 PM
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Rep Power: 4 | hmmm... keat!! where's that place har?? looks like a pond to me... |
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15-06-2006, 02:12 PM
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My Mood:  Rep Power: 10 | David, That is Bangkok BSR Pond Cheers, Edy |
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15-06-2006, 03:28 PM
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Rep Power: 5 | Hi Shineshy, At the end of the say, you will have to go down to the shops to pull on the blanks personally before making your final decision. Any of the blanks in the market can & will have someone using it to catch a big fish & someone will have the opinion that it is a good blank. Every other angler has their own preception / criteria of what an good / ideal blank is. Some like fast action, some like slow bend-to-the-butt kind of action. Some like full glass blanks, some like full graphite, some prefer hybrids. Some like American blanks, some like Japanese, some like Korean, some like Taiwanese. The choices & combinations are almost endless. Here are the more common blanks available in the Singapore market in alphabetical order. My apologies if I have left any of them out. Make a trip down to Bitch Road one of these days & pull on them. Calstar -- Sabre Tackle / Angler Outfitters Composite Development -- Sabre Tackle G. Loomis -- Sabre Tackle / Angler Outfitters / Hock Heng Pro G-Tech -- Deep Sea GUSA -- SabreTackle Hastings -- Sabre Tackle Jigging Master -- Fishing Buddy Pacific Composite -- Sabre Tackle / Angler Outiftters Seed -- Sabre Tackle Seeker -- Sabre Tackle Snyderglas -- Sabre Tackle Best regards, Makaira |
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15-06-2006, 03:34 PM
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looks kinda nice eh.. wat aret he charges like? | |
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