Ocea Jigger 4000 for jigging?

[cwtan12]

I am thinking of getting OJ 4000 but not sure whether it is suitable for heavy jigging or not. It's because when I use my OJ 4000P, I am always one of the last who reel all the line in and everyone is waiting. Not sure with higher gear ration can speed up. At the moment, I am using Accu 870, 665 Narrow, 665 Extra Narrow and OJ 4000P for jigging.

I am thinking of using it to pair it with my JM 450g custom rod to jig 500g. Anyone who has use it has any problem cranking in heavy jigs or fighting fishes?

[DaFrogman]

Dude,

I think your OJ4000P is probably the most ideal reel for 500g jigs. In jigging, speed is not always the most important factor. If you are just bottom fishing, then the 4000P might not be fastest to crank up your rig, but it will be much easier to crank heavy sinkers than something like a high speed 6:1 gear ration ABM665.

If you ask knowledgeable jiggers like MarkR, I am sure that the 4000P is still rated their top choice for a heavy OH jig reel. It should work just fine with your JM450.


Regards,

Saimee

[cwtan12]

Originally Posted by DaFrogman

Dude,

I think your OJ4000P is probably the most ideal reel for 500g jigs. In jigging, speed is not always the most important factor. If you are just bottom fishing, then the 4000P might not be fastest to crank up your rig, but it will be much easier to crank heavy sinkers than something like a high speed 6:1 gear ration ABM665.

If you ask knowledgeable jiggers like MarkR, I am sure that the 4000P is still rated their top choice for a heavy OH jig reel. It should work just fine with your JM450.


Regards,

Saimee

Saimee, I don't really do bottom and it's always the last choice of fishing. I only do it when I can't lure and can't jig or no bite from both types of fishing mentioned earlier. I think at the moment, I will not consider OJ 4000 because it doesnt serve much purpose to me.

6:1 ratio is way too high for me. I dont think I have the energy to crank 500g jig more than 100m using that kind of ratio. Usually I jig in water of 120-180m deep in Taiwan. I also asked Liu and Tang from AG Jigging Master and also another seasoned jigger just now for their opinions. Guess it's just my backside itchy thinking about OJ4000 these few days.

Regarding 4000P as the best reel, I don't think there is a best reel to everyone. I think it depends on individual. Some people prefer 665 Narrow and I know some who prefers Stella 20k and Saltiga 6500 Exp. I havent tried using spinning to jig but would like to try when 08 Stella is available. If I compare 665 Narrow and 4000P (because they are in the same class), both have pros and cons. Cranking wise, 4000P is more comfortable to me but some people I know like the smaller diameter of 665 Narrow. Some people also like to use very high drag and 665Narrow is better than OJ4000P in terms of that. I know some will think 15kg drag is too much for most but I think when the fish is pulling consistantly, it is far from 15kg mark. I still dont know which drag checker to check the constant drag rather than just the maximum poundage of a pull. So I said that from just my own feeling while holding the rod when a fish pull which may be wrong.

I prefer 4000P because of the narrower spool because I am not good in aligning the lines evenly. When it comes to weight, I feel that 4000P is way too heavy. That's why I will use 665 Extra Narrow whenever I can if the water is not too deep.

[DaFrogman]

Ok dude,

I actually meant that since you have the 4000P already, it would be the best reel amongst the reels you already use.

There is no "perfect" reel yet..... there are just too many variations in anglers styles and fishing conditions. But in terms of heavy jigging with an OH reel, I think that so far the OJ4000P has withstood the tests of most of the heavy jigging conditions around the world.

I use a 665, OJ5000, 4000P, TN40 and the 6500 Expedition too and I fish in similar depths up to 250m. So far in terms of just heavy jigging, my crew prefer spinners whilst I prefer OHs... We don't usually use jigs up to 500g, generally 300-350, sometimes 400. Since you have the expertise of AG at your disposal, they are by far the most qualified to advise you.

Drag wise, you can certainly get 15kg out of a 4000P and anyway the drag changes with the amount of line you have left on the spool. Whilst I like the 665, I find that the extra narrow version does not have the practical capacity to fish over 50lb braid in more than 70m of water.

My main problem now is that I just can't find the time anymore to use my reels....

Regards and Good fishing,

Saimee

[Akudou]

CWtan12,
just to verify on the choices that you are enquiring for, the jigger is meant to jig in deepwater and will not have problems cranking a hookep up fish or also cranking up heavy weights. The jigger claim 15kg drag max but ofcourse you can upgrade the drags to carbontex which gives out more drags and ofcourse smoothness esp when the fish is pulling hard. I have a OJ4000P on carbontex and a OJ5000P (stock drag) and the OJ4000P have never fail me for the past 2 years. Personally, if u want a lighter reel, I can suggest you check out the Ishidai Z serious. I find it lighter to jig with and base on line capacity, i manage to reel in 500metes of 60lbs braided line. Well, the choice is up to you as everyone have different opinion on their reel

[cwtan12]

Originally Posted by Akudou

CWtan12,
just to verify on the choices that you are enquiring for, the jigger is meant to jig in deepwater and will not have problems cranking a hookep up fish or also cranking up heavy weights. The jigger claim 15kg drag max but ofcourse you can upgrade the drags to carbontex which gives out more drags and ofcourse smoothness esp when the fish is pulling hard. I have a OJ4000P on carbontex and a OJ5000P (stock drag) and the OJ4000P have never fail me for the past 2 years. Personally, if u want a lighter reel, I can suggest you check out the Ishidai Z serious. I find it lighter to jig with and base on line capacity, i manage to reel in 500metes of 60lbs braided line. Well, the choice is up to you as everyone have different opinion on their reel

I have serched more information about the reel. I will look for one to feel it after my trip tomorrow. May I know what 60lbs line are you using because I know different brand has different diameter for the same poundage. How much line your 4000P can house using the same line? My OJ4000P can spool 500m of 80lbs Whipsplash. Thanks for your information.

[cwtan12]

Originally Posted by DaFrogman

Ok dude,

I actually meant that since you have the 4000P already, it would be the best reel amongst the reels you already use.

There is no "perfect" reel yet..... there are just too many variations in anglers styles and fishing conditions. But in terms of heavy jigging with an OH reel, I think that so far the OJ4000P has withstood the tests of most of the heavy jigging conditions around the world.

I use a 665, OJ5000, 4000P, TN40 and the 6500 Expedition too and I fish in similar depths up to 250m. So far in terms of just heavy jigging, my crew prefer spinners whilst I prefer OHs... We don't usually use jigs up to 500g, generally 300-350, sometimes 400. Since you have the expertise of AG at your disposal, they are by far the most qualified to advise you.

Drag wise, you can certainly get 15kg out of a 4000P and anyway the drag changes with the amount of line you have left on the spool. Whilst I like the 665, I find that the extra narrow version does not have the practical capacity to fish over 50lb braid in more than 70m of water.

My main problem now is that I just can't find the time anymore to use my reels....

Regards and Good fishing,

Saimee

In fact I like to use my 4000P more than Accurate for normal heavy jigging because it's smoother to crank had the feel higher standard precision engineering. I still use modified 665 Narrow when it comes to places with bigger fishes and the modified 665 Extra Narrow for lighter 350-400g jigs. All of them have their different uses.

Hahaa.. I also dont know when I will not having the time to use my reels. Should be soon. Since I am quite free now, I try to use at least once a week for now. I am also very tempted to try spinning setup. I have placed an order for a '08 SW10000PG to match a 300g rod but I don't rule out another spinning reel for 500g rod. I have felt Z6500 Expedition and also Stella 20kPG but seems like they are very heavy especially Stella but the cranking and drag is smoother compared to 6500Exp when I simply turn with my hand but 6500Exp is lighter. If the current SW20kPG is as light as 6500Exp, then I dont have to go through this dilemma. Do you use your spinning or OH setups more often?

[Akudou]

Originally Posted by cwtan12

I have serched more information about the reel. I will look for one to feel it after my trip tomorrow. May I know what 60lbs line are you using because I know different brand has different diameter for the same poundage. How much line your 4000P can house using the same line? My OJ4000P can spool 500m of 80lbs Whipsplash. Thanks for your information.

cwtan12,
Ishidai z40: 60lbs suffix matrix pro-500m is 0.32 but i believe if you use 80lbs whiplash, im sure u can fit in 400m
OJ4000P: 80lbs Stealth spiderwire -500yds diameter is around 0.34 or 0.36 (cant recall) and i use to have 400m Stren which was personally spool in by our own DFM
OJ5000P: 80lbs suffix performance braid- 550m (will update you the diameter of this line.

Hope it will be of help to you. Cheers!

[Akudou]

Originally Posted by cwtan12

Hahaa.. I also dont know when I will not having the time to use my reels. Should be soon. Since I am quite free now, I try to use at least once a week for now. I am also very tempted to try spinning setup. I have placed an order for a '08 SW10000PG to match a 300g rod but I don't rule out another spinning reel for 500g rod. I have felt Z6500 Expedition and also Stella 20kPG but seems like they are very heavy especially Stella but the cranking and drag is smoother compared to 6500Exp when I simply turn with my hand but 6500Exp is lighter. If the current SW20kPG is as light as 6500Exp, then I dont have to go through this dilemma. Do you use your spinning or OH setups more often?

Dude, IS it a '08 SW10000pg or HG?

[cwtan12]

Akuduo, Thanks for the information. Do you find Ishidai hard to crank heavy jig because of the higher gear ratio?


It's SW10000PG. From the catalogue, SW10000 only has PG and XG

[eeyore]

hi cwtan12 .....it is not fair to compare your oj4000p with your boss 665nr since you fish very often in Taiwan with the ag club member so you know very well most of their boss 665nr are modified version otherwise i don't think the original boss 665nr version will be able to survive after the hard fishing at " diao yu tai"

boss 665nr was my first overhead jigging gear when i first started pick-up jigging about 4 years ago however the drag gave way duirng my trip to Luconia Shoal after landing my 3rd amberjack in a roll with the biggest only weighted at 12kg since then i changed to oj4000p and it is with me for almost 2.5 years now helping me to land doogtooth, gt, samson for an average size of 20kg with no problem.

i strongly agreed boss 665nr is a good reel but when come to heavy fishing condition i am sure oj4000p will out run the 665nr original version.

this is just my past experienced about these 2 reels i am sure some members here may have difference opinions.

[cwtan12]

Originally Posted by eeyore

hi cwtan12 .....it is not fair to compare your oj4000p with your boss 665nr since you fish very often in Taiwan with the ag club member so you know very well most of their boss 665nr are modified version otherwise i don't think the original boss 665nr version will be able to survive after the hard fishing at " diao yu tai"

boss 665nr was my first overhead jigging gear when i first started pick-up jigging about 4 years ago however the drag gave way duirng my trip to Luconia Shoal after landing my 3rd amberjack in a roll with the biggest only weighted at 12kg since then i changed to oj4000p and it is with me for almost 2.5 years now helping me to land doogtooth, gt, samson for an average size of 20kg with no problem.

i strongly agreed boss 665nr is a good reel but when come to heavy fishing condition i am sure oj4000p will out run the 665nr original version.

this is just my past experienced about these 2 reels i am sure some members here may have difference opinions.

Yes.. you have got the point there. I didnt realise all their Accurate are mod. In fact all my Accu reels are heavily modified by AG, whether bought from them or from Singapore. So that is not the right comparison..

Was it the drag or the gear that gave way?

[scarpie]

I have to agree with Saimee and the others. The OJ4000P is one of the best OH jigging reels around. The low ratio gears is offset by the relatively large diameter spool, so retrieve rate might be similar to the higher geared reels. In fact the OJ is much smoother and more powerful than other reels just buying a different reel does not make sense. Try to compare the cranking power of the OJ against the 655, the ease which you turn the handle under load. I can tell you that the OJ is very hard to beat because I own & use both reels on our monster Yellowtail Kingfish from the 3 Kings, Ranfurly Banks and White Island. We regularly jig 30+kg kingfish using these reels and JM rods.

Both these monsters were caught with JM & OJ4KP.

[MarkR]

Originally Posted by cwtan12

In fact all my Accu reels are heavily modified by AG

Hi Tan,

Are you Taiwanese?

Out of curiosity is the 665N AG 改过 more popular than the OJ 4000P among the regular 钓鱼台 jiggers? Does AG's Mr Tang prefer the 665 改过?

Like eeyoore, i'll never use a regular Boss 665 for jigging anymore...just takes too much effort turning the handle under load...I used to own a 665N AG 改过 but sold it off a few yrs ago...must say that cranking was much better with the AG modified version but felt that the modification was a little crude requiring the drilling of holes into the side plate etc.

The newer AG mods don't require the drilling of holes More refined construction...Are your reels retrofitted with the new 2nd generation AG mods? The anti-reverse ratchet and dogs now come in a one size fits all version for 197, 870 & 665 Thicker steel too!

Kinda miss my modified 665 somewhat so i'm currently on the look-out for a pre-magnum 665 on ebay

Tight lines

[Akudou]

[quote=cwtan12;19012]Akuduo, Thanks for the information. Do you find Ishidai hard to crank heavy jig because of the higher gear ratio?

cwtan12, The ishidai does not have higher gear ration. Its ratio is 4.9:1 which is similar to the OJ4000 & OJ5000. That makes a difference of 0.8:1 compared to the OJ's 4000P & 5000P which has a ratio of 4.1:1
I only manage to use the ishidai only with the original handle length which i find is short. I prefer the OJ's with long arm handle eventho the process of reeling up is slow but then with ease. So i have yet to shift the ishidai arm handle setting to the long setting but i'm sure it will make a difference.

[cwtan12]

Originally Posted by MarkR

Hi Tan,

Are you Taiwanese?

Out of curiosity is the 665N AG 改过 more popular than the OJ 4000P among the regular 钓鱼台 jiggers? Does AG's Mr Tang prefer the 665 改过?

Like eeyoore, i'll never use a regular Boss 665 for jigging anymore...just takes too much effort turning the handle under load...I used to own a 665N AG 改过 but sold it off a few yrs ago...must say that cranking was much better with the AG modified version but felt that the modification was a little crude requiring the drilling of holes into the side plate etc.

The newer AG mods don't require the drilling of holes More refined construction...Are your reels retrofitted with the new 2nd generation AG mods? The anti-reverse ratchet and dogs now come in a one size fits all version for 197, 870 & 665 Thicker steel too!

Kinda miss my modified 665 somewhat so i'm currently on the look-out for a pre-magnum 665 on ebay

Tight lines

I am not a Taiwanese. A Malaysian with Sg PR for more 10yrs now. I always move around. Has been working in Taiwan since late last year and leaving soon. Hopefully my company will transfer me to a place where I can fish. So I am taking opportunity to fish as much as I can while I am still here.. I will have 2 more trips this month after the trip last weekend.

Yesterday when I went to AG to TCSS, I saw Tang packing his tackles for the coming trip this week with Singaporeans.. 1 set with 4000P, 1 set with SW20kPG and the rest of about 5 more sets are with Accurate from 665N to smaller ones.

Yes.. mine is using their latest parts to mod. The first time I saw them mod, my heart also broke. They cut and hammer here and there... but after mod, I would say worth it. I am not related to them. Even though I have bought many things from them, I still get them at the same price as everyone else. Even their rival (I am not going to name the shop)in Taiwan also told me Accu reels need to be mod by AG, if not it will fail after using for a few times fighting big fishes.

Same as SOM reels. SOM reels need to be mod also. Even though I have never used it but the single cork drag doesnt really convince me. Do you know who can mod SOM reels?

My trip last weekend to Diao Yu Tai, I only used 665 Extra Narrow throughout even though I brought all my other reels. I prefer the cranking of OJ but I used 665 Extra Narrow because of the weight.

I can help you to get if you want. Either u get the unmod one from Singapore and pass to me to ask them to mod or i get a new modified set from them and pass to you. If you happen to know anyone coming together with Fishing Buddy tomorrow to fish this week, it will be easier.

[galanted]

Making this short and sweet.

Jigged with a 665N Stock, 665N Power Handle, OJ4000P, OJ5000P.
No doubts about it, still stick with my OJ4000P!

Recently bought a Saltiga Z5000 Egg Beater, found it taxing to even Jig a OK 350g Hooker vertically underarms.
No doubts about it, still stick with my OJ4000P!

Now that i have a OH and Spin set to toggle around so i can work out both hands.
No doubts about it, still stick with my OJ4000P! as my main set.

[DaFrogman]

Originally Posted by cwtan12

I have felt Z6500 Expedition and also Stella 20kPG but seems like they are very heavy especially Stella but the cranking and drag is smoother compared to 6500Exp when I simply turn with my hand but 6500Exp is lighter. If the current SW20kPG is as light as 6500Exp, then I dont have to go through this dilemma.

......Do you use your spinning or OH setups more often?

Dude,

I tend to use my OHs more. The main advantage I've found with a spinning setup is the superior freespool when you drop a jig, especially when you have a bit of current running.

But on the jig, with a swell going, I have found that sometimes the slack line you get on the downstroke can make the line on the spinner come out of the roller and get tangled on your glove etc etc... this doesn't happen with OH reels.... mind you this is probably caused by my crap jigging technique ....

My crew prefer spinning reels.... The new Stellas seem to offer more options in terms of sizes and speeds. I am sure that they will be superior in smoothness to the previous generation. The Saltigas are still not as smooth on cranking(as the Stellas), but IMHO, with the use of CF drag washers (i.e. Carbontex), they are able to match the Stella drags both in terms of smoothness and max drag capabilities.

How did your trip go BTW?...

Best Regards,

Saimee

[cwtan12]

Originally Posted by DaFrogman

Dude,

I tend to use my OHs more. The main advantage I've found with a spinning setup is the superior freespool when you drop a jig, especially when you have a bit of current running.

But on the jig, with a swell going, I have found that sometimes the slack line you get on the downstroke can make the line on the spinner come out of the roller and get tangled on your glove etc etc... this doesn't happen with OH reels.... mind you this is probably caused by my crap jigging technique ....

My crew prefer spinning reels.... The new Stellas seem to offer more options in terms of sizes and speeds. I am sure that they will be superior in smoothness to the previous generation. The Saltigas are still not as smooth on cranking(as the Stellas), but IMHO, with the use of CF drag washers (i.e. Carbontex), they are able to match the Stella drags both in terms of smoothness and max drag capabilities.

How did your trip go BTW?...

Best Regards,

Saimee

Another poor catch trip. I only managed to land 3 Amberjack (1 small (ard 4-5kg)and 2 medium(10-11 & 15kg) while the whole boat of 12 anglers sum up to only about 30+. Only 2 above 20kg by other anglers. Nobody bothered to take pics during such a poor catch trip.

[MarkR]

Hi Tan,

I'm know the fishing buddy guys quite well.

Yes, they are up in Taiwan right now...was told the Amberjack bite has been sizzling...

Looks like AG mods for the Boss series still very popular

cheers

[cwtan12]

Originally Posted by MarkR

Hi Tan,

I'm know the fishing buddy guys quite well.

Yes, they are up in Taiwan right now...was told the Amberjack bite has been sizzling...

Looks like AG mods for the Boss series still very popular

cheers

Hi Mark, they will only be here tomorrow. The bite was very good the week before last week when I didn't go but poor catch rate when I went last week..