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Old 11-02-2006, 11:23 AM   #1
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looking for a rod

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I am looking for a rod to pair with my Certate 2500....
I am using it for casting big minnows .....
Should I custom build one or there is one in the market liao????
The blank that I am looking at is GUSA 10-17 but i heard is overrated thus will have problem casting as its very stiff......Is there any blank that suit my fishing???
I have heard of G Loomis but too brittle for me.......
My budget is abt $300-$400....

Thank for the advise


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What happened to your Bayside shooter . It should match your Certate 2500 well to cast big minnows.

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Re: looking for a rod

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Hi
I am looking for a rod to pair with my Certate 2500....
I am using it for casting big minnows .....
Should I custom build one or there is one in the market liao????
The blank that I am looking at is GUSA 10-17 but i heard is overrated thus will have problem casting as its very stiff......Is there any blank that suit my fishing???
I have heard of G Loomis but too brittle for me.......
My budget is abt $300-$400....

Thank for the advise


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Go for a G. Loomis. Can't go wrong there. Don't listen to all the hearsay about it being brittle ... breaks easily & what have you. ALL graphite blanks are brittle, so to speak. Just take care of it & it will take care of your fishing. I have been using GL customised rods for over 20 years; have not broken a SINGLE one yet.

If you know that you are a little ruff & tuff in your fishing style, go for the GL3. They are just as good as a IMX or GLX. As far as being lighter, it is all anal hype as far as I'm concerned!!! Fishing with braided line these days, you get all the sensitivity you will ever need from the non-stretch line & therefore imho, the increased sensitivity from a more expensive higher modulus graphite blank is not really that significant nor worth the additional cost. Make sure you get the right blank & do not buy a casting series blank to build a spinning rod & vice-versa. There is a reason for the manufacturer to specify it as a spin or casting blank. Why would they bother if there isn't a difference.

Yes, I have witnessed GL's break more than once ..... and the reason for the breakage, in two cases, my frens die die also want to use the SJ blanks to build in baitcasting configuration. In others, it it simply fishing the blanks BEYOND their ratings. As far as I am concerned, it is no fault of the blanks at all. Simply user stoopidity.

GUSA's are actually not bad for spin rods either. As far as being stiff, it all depends on what weight lures you are casting. As you mentioned you will be using big minnows, they should be able to load a GUSA 10-17 nicely for casting.

Hope this helps.

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Agree with Makaira, one should not listen too much to what others say, go and try it for yourself.

But i jolly well know that this friend of mine, will end up getting a light and chio looking jap rod to pair with his Certate. It's just him.
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Agree with Makaira, one should not listen too much to what others say, go and try it for yourself.

But i jolly well know that this friend of mine, will end up getting a light and chio looking jap rod to pair with his Certate. It's just him.
A serious case oof nihonjin-guertera poisoning. Once you get it in your system ... it stays with you for life!!!!!
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Jason go get the lightest Tenryu Spike SK601-12
Lure:12~45g
Line: 6~12

Anything heavier than this will feel reeeeeeally weird with the Certate 2500
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Finally I narrowed down to these two rods....
Wonder if they are comparable.......
In terms of line class and looks.......

Tenryu

Spike SK 662-12

Offshore Casting OL601S-ML


Pls advise...


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Jason,

check out Zenaq Fokeeto Whippy FS 59-2, as its name suggested, its whippy but very good strong so giving you a chance of using heavier line class but still maintaning the possibility of using lighter jigs.. flex all the way to fore grip even when fishing Selar hahaha... take go Rompin fish Cobia or Mack on jigs should be damn interesting... let you test when i received my, have a appointment with Mack arranged liao so must find suitable stuff, last year used the 30-40lbs jig stik bo feeling.. sell away liao

if you're jus doing luring consider GL3 as what Makaira mentioned then use mono line if scare breakage lor... ask Mike Tan intro you some lor... super cast mono or something.. very retro like LSR Ah Lau like that... or else wait till line almost tight liao then strike with your wrist action can liao no need to strike like there is no tomorrow...
another rod within your budget is Major Craft.. saw in the net their Toy II Titanium frame Sic, very light can cast whole day until ppl have to call you stop for lunch somemore looks damn chio..

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Cannot take it man... "Ah Lao" ballz Might as well say "Uncle" :P

G.Loomis also can use braid lar... I use to cast 60g poppers with my 6' GL3 10-17lb + Shimano Chronarch at TMFT. Oh yeah... my Chronarch is always loaded with 20lb Fireline/Fusion back then.

Jason just get the Spike. Won't go wrong.
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Hi everyone
I got wat I want liao.......
Only Mike know wat i am getting........



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Jason get a Loomis lar... I just tried my Bronze Back/Stella combo yesterday and I LOVE it. Very powerful combo. No problem with KBL up to 3kg on 6lb mono.
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Yo Mike
I already got the rod liao.....
Now waiting for reel to come...



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Yo Mike
I already got the rod liao.....
Now waiting for reel to come...



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which rod did you get come come next Saturday we go PRP open ceremony your new outfit :P
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Yo Mike
I already got the rod liao.....
Now waiting for reel to come...



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which rod did you get come come next Saturday we go PRP open ceremony your new outfit :P
What else...must be those chio-chio looking jap rod named spikey san.
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Re: looking for a rod

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Hi
I am looking for a rod to pair with my Certate 2500....
I am using it for casting big minnows .....
Should I custom build one or there is one in the market liao????
The blank that I am looking at is GUSA 10-17 but i heard is overrated thus will have problem casting as its very stiff......Is there any blank that suit my fishing???
I have heard of G Loomis but too brittle for me.......
My budget is abt $300-$400....

Thank for the advise


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Hi Jason,

Go for a G. Loomis. Can't go wrong there. Don't listen to all the hearsay about it being brittle ... breaks easily & what have you. ALL graphite blanks are brittle, so to speak. Just take care of it & it will take care of your fishing. I have been using GL customised rods for over 20 years; have not broken a SINGLE one yet.

If you know that you are a little ruff & tuff in your fishing style, go for the GL3. They are just as good as a IMX or GLX. As far as being lighter, it is all anal hype as far as I'm concerned!!! Fishing with braided line these days, you get all the sensitivity you will ever need from the non-stretch line & therefore imho, the increased sensitivity from a more expensive higher modulus graphite blank is not really that significant nor worth the additional cost. Make sure you get the right blank & do not buy a casting series blank to build a spinning rod & vice-versa. There is a reason for the manufacturer to specify it as a spin or casting blank. Why would they bother if there isn't a difference.

Yes, I have witnessed GL's break more than once ..... and the reason for the breakage, in two cases, my frens die die also want to use the SJ blanks to build in baitcasting configuration. In others, it it simply fishing the blanks BEYOND their ratings. As far as I am concerned, it is no fault of the blanks at all. Simply user stoopidity.

GUSA's are actually not bad for spin rods either. As far as being stiff, it all depends on what weight lures you are casting. As you mentioned you will be using big minnows, they should be able to load a GUSA 10-17 nicely for casting.

Hope this helps.

Best regards,
Makaira

So what would, in your opinion, be the reasons for casting blanks not applicable to be made into a spinning rod?? Do share.

If you believe in them making casting and spinning blanks for a reason, why won't you believe that they made IMX and GLX apart from the GLs for a reason too? Any particular findings personally? How was your personal experiece with the IMX and GLX?

Do share with us please.....[/b]
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So what would, in your opinion, be the reasons for casting blanks not applicable to be made into a spinning rod?? Do share.
I am not a blank designer nor a rod builder so I have no idea what the technical differences are. It is just a conclusion based on personal observations on my part from the boken rods I have seen. Plus if there is in fact no difference between a spin & a casting blank; why would a manufacturer want to complicate their product lines with so many variants? I may well be totally wrong here & it is simply marketing mumbo jumbo afterall


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If you believe in them making casting and spinning blanks for a reason, why won't you believe that they made IMX and GLX apart from the GLs for a reason too? Any particular findings personally? How was your personal experiece with the IMX and GLX? Do share with us please.....
Errrm...... I don't think I said that. I do believe they make the product range for many reasons ...... perhaps for different applications, marketing innovation, product innovation & very often profits driven reasons, eg. catering to different price segments of the market, or higher modulus=higher sensitivity = higher end product=higher price=higher profits; despite higher material costs.

I believe that higher sensitivity in a blank is very important in the pre-braided line days. IMHO, we do not really need the hyper-sensitivity of a high modulus graphite blank now when using braided lines. In fact, i think it is a negative to use, for example, a high modulus blank like a GLX, as the non stretch in braided lines may result in higher incidence of breakages.

As for experiences with IMX, I have no probelms with them at all. Never did make the transition into the GLX as I think they are too expensive & I use braided most of the time these days. Anyhow, IMHO, the over-riding concern nowadays is weight i.e. light weight; perhaps the strength to weight ratio of graphite versus glass rather than the bite detection / sensitivity issue that anglers are preferring graphite blanks over glass.

Just my 2 cents. Opinions differ of course.
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I have personally got a casting blank made into a spinning rod. It has served me well for almost 2 years now. Still loving it. Prior to customizing the rod, I have consulted a couple of rod makers, whom both agreed that there is nothing inappropriate to it, and both are in the opinion that it grounds down to personal preferences and needs.

I confess that I do find your remarks a little overly opinionated but nevertheless, thanks for the reply and for sharing.
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I have personally got a casting blank made into a spinning rod. It has served me well for almost 2 years now. Still loving it. Prior to customizing the rod, I have consulted a couple of rod makers, whom both agreed that there is nothing inappropriate to it, and both are in the opinion that it grounds down to personal preferences and needs.

I confess that I do find your remarks a little overly opinionated but nevertheless, thanks for the reply and for sharing.
Hahahahaha!!!! That's what i thought .... based on the tone of your questions. It's ok dude, everyone is entitled to their own opinions. You can choose not to read my "overly opinionated" posts or choose to respond to it & we can trade opinions & experiences My apologies if I came across sounding overly opinionated.

As for your custom rod, good for you that love your rod. I hope you catch many, many fishes with it for many more years to come. Please don't respond & say I am being sarcastic as I am not. No harm no foul. Peace
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I have personally got a casting blank made into a spinning rod. It has served me well for almost 2 years now. Still loving it. Prior to customizing the rod, I have consulted a couple of rod makers, whom both agreed that there is nothing inappropriate to it, and both are in the opinion that it grounds down to personal preferences and needs.

I confess that I do find your remarks a little overly opinionated but nevertheless, thanks for the reply and for sharing.
Hahahahaha!!!! That's what i thought .... based on the tone of your questions. It's ok dude, everyone is entitled to their own opinions. You can choose not to read my "overly opinionated" posts or choose to respond to it & we can trade opinions & experiences My apologies if I came across sounding overly opinionated.

As for your custom rod, good for you that love your rod. I hope you catch many, many fishes with it for many more years to come. Please don't respond & say I am being sarcastic as I am not. No harm no foul. Peace

No lah... wont say that sort of things.
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