Certate V/s Stella

[Jacktrevally]

Hi lads,

URGENT!!! I need HELP!!!


Tough choice... I have to choose between 2 reels.

I'll be using it for luring from the shore.

Daiwa Certate 1500 or a Shimano Stella 1000 FA/SR

I have seen that the 1500 daiwa and the 1000 stella has the same capacity. Anyone can confirm?




A friend in SG told me to go for a Certate as it has the edge over the stella. I still think the Stella kick some butt and is more of a tough reel but the certate is a more finesse for the small size.

My cousin is travelling back to Mauritius on the 23rd and I need to make a choice. Can anyone advised on any tackle shop which carry them for the cheapest?

I need the address and name of the tackle shop so that he can make a move as he is not familair with tackle shop there.



Anyone familiar with these reels. Any advice?



Thanks in advance.

JT

[physlo]

Jack,

Tough question. Both are good reels but Certates are cheaper than the Stellas. For me, I'll stick with Shimano.

Hey, why not make a poll?

Cheers
physlo

[Jacktrevally]

Hi thanks for your help.

Pricewise, I think it should not be an issue. Since I'm a spending, I might as well spend some more to get the best.

Any tackle shop you would recommend to get the reel?

[physlo]

Originally Posted by Jacktrevally

Hi thanks for your help.

Pricewise, I think it should not be an issue. Since I'm a spending, I might as well spend some more to get the best.

Any tackle shop you would recommend to get the reel?

Hi Jack,

Then the Stella 1000 SR is the reel for you. You need to get stickbom help. He should know where to get the best price for it.

Regards
physlo

[stickbom!]

Alamak! Why me? hehehe... if you want cheaper deals go to parallel importers. Confirm cheaper than warranty models Personally I'd go for the ones with local warranty cos they come with freebies and no question asked after-sales service for a year.

Yes I'll take the Stella over Certate if I had the $$. I dumped the Certate 3500HD for a Twinpower SR4000... Don't really fancy the tiny anti reverse bearing in Daiwa's newer, smaller spinners.

[Jacktrevally]

Thanks for your feed back guys.

I will go for a 2000 version as I target fish with 6lb line most of the time. A 4000size is too big for me to use from the shore.

Do you know the difference between the SR version and the FB version. I've read that the FA version has more bb's and is a bit more powerful saltwater version than the FB.


Any tackle shop you would recommend? I'm completely don't have a clue which tackle shop carry this reel and the price range of this reel?

[Sportfisherman]

Jacktrevally ,

SR = FB without Owner's card .

SR has 14 BBs + 1 RB for 2000SDH version ( shallow spool + baitcaster handle type ) .

Jon .

[Jacktrevally]

Cheers Jon,

I think it's a tough choice for me. Either an SR or an FA version. I've just seen on a webby that the FA has 1 more bb and by reading the description is more rugged than the SR. I don't know if the modern MG body will go well with saltwater.

Do you knwo the price range of the 1000 and 200 version of a Stella FA or SR?

[Jacktrevally]

Interestingly, a similar question has popped up in FK!

[Sportfisherman]

Originally Posted by Jacktrevally

Cheers Jon,

I think it's a tough choice for me. Either an SR or an FA version. I've just seen on a webby that the FA has 1 more bb and by reading the description is more rugged than the SR. I don't know if the modern MG body will go well with saltwater.

Do you knwo the price range of the 1000 and 200 version of a Stella FA or SR?

Jacktrevally ,

I think SR version is more for freshwater albeit it can be used in estuary while FA version is more for saltwater , this SR version's equivalent is FB version .

MSRP of SR2000 is S$. 930.- while 2500FB is S$. 880.- , FA series start from #4000 and above , 5000FA is S$. 960.- , all these are from 2006 Shimano catalogue .

Sportfisherman .

[stickbom!]

JT, the FA is actually the export version of SW so unless you're going to go offshore with this new reel of yours, the FB would do JUST FINE. Haven't heard of anyone breaking the Stella SR so far... for that matter I don't think anyone has heard or seen a Twinpower SR breaking down. I can't convince myself to buy a Stella for shore/lure fishing so its going to be the Twinpower for me. A few of my close buddies are using the Twinpower SR and they've got nothing but good things to say about it.

[Jacktrevally]

Thanks ever so much For the info Jon,

I should find cheaper if I shop around as many reels are sold cheaper than the recommended selling price. A friend told me that they are about 680 SGD in the shop. I've just checked an american store and they have a 2000FA, it may happens that the smaller version are not availaible on the Asian market?

Anyway, My mind is made FA version is I can find it.

So if anyone can help where I can find a 1000FA or a plain 1000 Version in SG, I would appreciate.

Cheers,

JT.

[Jacktrevally]

Originally Posted by stickbom!

JT, the FA is actually the export version of SW so unless you're going to go offshore with this new reel of yours, the FB would do JUST FINE. Haven't heard of anyone breaking the Stella SR so far... for that matter I don't think anyone has heard or seen a Twinpower SR breaking down. I can't convince myself to buy a Stella for shore/lure fishing so its going to be the Twinpower for me. A few of my close buddies are using the Twinpower SR and they've got nothing but good things to say about it.

Thank you for your input. I know it's crazy to go for such an expensive luring reel, there is about 165 USD difference between a 1K and a 10K but I reckon if I am going to spend more than 500SDG on a reel I might as well spend a 200 more to get a decent reel.

It would be very tough to break an FA, that is what I'm looking for!

I was surprised when the screw in my line roller bearing went loose in my Caldia kix! I just remembered I bullied some GT's from the shore and landed them in less than 1 min!

[stickbom!]

The bail screw in FA has been known to come loose too buddy. Happened to my SW too Just put a drop of thread-lock on the screw and tighten it back. The FB is actually an improved and newer version of the FA... but since you're already set on getting the FA, just go for it. You'll love em Stellas

[Sportfisherman]

Originally Posted by Jacktrevally

Thanks ever so much For the info Jon,

I should find cheaper if I shop around as many reels are sold cheaper than the recommended selling price. A friend told me that they are about 680 SGD in the shop. I've just checked an american store and they have a 2000FA, it may happens that the smaller version are not availaible on the Asian market?

Anyway, My mind is made FA version is I can find it.

So if anyone can help where I can find a 1000FA or a plain 1000 Version in SG, I would appreciate.

Cheers,

JT.

Hi JT ,

I am not sure if there are FA series in smaller reel anymore , at least they are no longer listed in the catalogue but there may be some leftover lying around in some shop's display . It is safe to say the smaller Stella FAs are now replaced by SR/FB series and the one I have is a shallow spool version with baitcaster like handle , not available outside Japan .

Sportfisherman .

[Jacktrevally]

Thanks for your input.


I've checked the SDH version capacity, I can't go for an SDH since it's the 4000 version which will have the desired line capacity. I just hope I can find a 1000 FA version in a shop.

[stickbom!]

Originally Posted by Sportfisherman

Hi JT ,

I am not sure if there are FA series in smaller reel anymore , at least they are no longer listed in the catalogue but there may be some leftover lying around in some shop's display . It is safe to say the smaller Stella FAs are now replaced by SR/FB series and the one I have is a shallow spool version with baitcaster like handle , not available outside Japan .

Sportfisherman .

Jon I may be wrong but I think the old F was 98 export series and they had 1000-16000 sizes... FA is the SW export and only comes in 5000 or 6000 sizes and up.

[stickbom!]

Originally Posted by Jacktrevally

Thanks for your input.


I've checked the SDH version capacity, I can't go for an SDH since it's the 4000 version which will have the desired line capacity. I just hope I can find a 1000 FA version in a shop.

Finding a 1000F will be tough bro... you might wanna consider the 1000FB

[Jacktrevally]

Hi,

I've just checked a few websites they do have an FA version which is more beefed up for the tough job.

If I have no choice to an FB then I'm not going to invest in a magnesium reel. I'm going for a certate.

A friend is going round the shop on Saturday to find if he can catch a good deal for me.

Thanks you all for your valuable input and help.

I'll add something to this post if I need more info.

Cheers guys,

JT

[Jacktrevally]

This is one of the website I browsed through:

Shimano Stella Spinning Reel FA

Shimano Stella Spinning Reel FB

[stickbom!]

Gosh... Jon was right! They do have FA in 1000 sizes! (Sorry about that) The smaller FA must be an export version of the AR or FW then. JT, sure you wanna go for the Certate? A friend of mine experienced Anti Reverse Bearing failure and although it wasn't a permanent defect (AR Bearing can be cleaned up) it just goes to show the tiny AR bearings that Daiwa adopted has its weaknesses. Opinions differ of course. Pls bear in mind I had a Certate 3500HD before and liked it too... sold it off solely because the tiny AR Bearing in it doesn't feel safe to me. Good luck for your hunt!

[Jacktrevally]

Cheers mate,

I've was checking plat's website yesterday and I remember that ARB bearings are on the Shimano reel and the new Stella has them! Does the Daiwa as well have them?

My caldia kix had CRBB

[Sportfisherman]

Originally Posted by Jacktrevally

Cheers mate,

I've was checking plat's website yesterday and I remember that ARB bearings are on the Shimano reel and the new Stella has them! Does the Daiwa as well have them?

My caldia kix had CRBB

Guys ,

ARB ( Anti Rust Bearing ) - Shimano , CRBB ( Corrosion Resistance Ball-Bearing ) - Daiwa , E2BB ( Extreme Element Ball-Bearing ) - Okuma ...... , they are all just terminologies invented by reel manufacturers to describe stainless steel bearings .

Sportfisherman .

[Jacktrevally]

Thanks for the explanation SF,

The reason I wanted to go for a certate was that it had 4kg drag for the 1500 size, the stella had 2kg for the 1000FB. However the FA has 4kg for the 1000 size.

Looking at it now if the bearing is a weak point I might as well change my mind... I'll have my mind set before I handle the cash to my cousin!

[jigjigjig]

This may not be relevant to light-line class models but since the topic's on Stella vs. Certate i just wanna share an observation i discovered last night...

Was loading lines manually (under resistance pressure of cos) consecutively on my Certate 3500HD and Stella 5000FA and discovered a markedly difference in cranking strength between the 2, and the Stella won hands down!

It was much easier to crank line onto the spool and i loaded the Certate 1st so no, fatigue wasn't a factor in case you were wondering. It also wasn't a matter of handles and knobs, i've got the RCS knob on the Certate. So i guess it's probably the gearing.

The reels are almost identical in size and i had got the Certate HD to use as the jig reel and the Stella for casting. Upon last night's discovery, it seemed more sense to switch jobs, BUT they wouldn't match the intended rods aethetically... dang!

Sorry to bore you guys if you had already known this fact, but it was quite a relevation for me so i thought i'd just share it here!