Whats the best way of tying apollo with 100lb nylon?

[stickbom!]

Really appreciate it if the seasoned bottom bashers here could share your trade secret. Many thanks in advance.

[MarkR]

Bro,

Apollo? Sure or not? What happened to jigs and poppers???

I don't think there's much difference when it comes to Apollo knots for 100lb mono and say 50lb mono. I personally find 2 surgeon's knots close together are better than a single 4 loop surgeon's knot for thick mono. Less chances of slipping. Works for me with up to 50lb dupont.

Sami jigs how bro?

[DaFrogman]

Mikey,

I concur with Mark R.... but if you are using a 100lb mainline and 50-80lb branches, then the 4 turn surgeons knot with a half hitch or two on the tag end... hasn't failed us yet.

Make sure the branch line leaders all point in the same direction and that direction is also the side that the swivel for mainline to reel goes on. Sinker loop goes the opposite end... gawd hope you can figure that out Mikey.

Mark,

I have "re-educated" (also called "poisoned") Mikey..... hehehehehehehe.....

Saimee

[MarkR]

Hi Saimee!

"Make sure the branch line leaders all point in the same direction and that direction is also the side that the swivel for mainline to reel goes on. Sinker loop goes the opposite end"...that's just too tough for poor old mike to figure out...MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH!!!

[Makaira]

Yo Saimee,

That's a little too simple lar. Anything more complicated or not ... like a modified FG or Mid-knot that can also be used as an apollo?? Hehehehe!!!

BTW Mikey, the 16S SUCKS as a bottom fishing reel dude. Come to think of it, most 2 speed game reels suck as a bottom reel IMHO. A 2 speed reel don't mean it is a good sinker wincher. At low gear, it will take you forever to crank the sinker up from deep waters. However, if you really want a 16S, I've got a brand new unused Cal Sheets blueprinted 16S ... you want? Stick to one of the Boss 665 with the offset power handle for bottom bashing. That's my go-to reel for most applications these days. I guess one of those Jap jigger-type reels will suffice as well. Opinions differ of course.

Best regards,
Makaira

Sterdy lah Stickbom, now play Apollo liow

[physlo]

Come guys, let's welcome Mikey to the dark side of bottom fishing instead. He now uses his jigs as sinkers...hahahahaha

Mike, remember those i tied at PRP. They work on 100lbs mono as well.

Cheers!
physlo

[cameraman]

Mikey....I hereby hail you to the DARK SIDE!!!!!!!!

[stickbom!]

Thanks for all the precious advice and "welcome to the dark side" notes guys. Hope we can go drown bait together soon!!

[shineshy]

got sample to see or not ? kekeke...

[hon-su]

hmm......U guys should know your knots if U know wat a apolla rig is........coz I certainly dont.....??? someone care to show me a diagram of the rig??

[physlo]

Originally Posted by hon-su

hmm......U guys should know your knots if U know wat a apolla rig is........coz I certainly dont.....??? someone care to show me a diagram of the rig??

hon-su,

I think apollo rig is also known as paternoster. I will try to snap a picture of my home made paternoster.

Regards
physlo

[zikista]

Originally Posted by physlo

hon-su,

I think apollo rig is also known as paternoster. I will try to snap a picture of my home made paternoster.

Regards
physlo

Edros, dun forget to make extra for us for our upcoming Mapor trip. 8 kakis going so...total....16 pieces ok.....use FC leader ok.

ZUL ZIKO

[sk8]

Hi Mike, I assume an Apollo is also known as a dropper rig? This is what I use:

http://www.tackletactics.co.nz/Dropperknot.html

You have a few choices for using this knot:

A. End up with a 3 to 5 inches loop which you can then loop onto a hook. Make sure you insert the loop via the front of the hook eye to improve hookup rate.

B. Cut off one "leg" of the loop close to the knot so you end up with only a single line for which you can then snell on to a hook, or

C. End up with a smaller loop to which you can tie on a single trace of heavier or lighter poundage.

I normally have 2 - 3 droppers on my rig with clip swivels at both ends to clip on to mainline and sinker.

Hope this helps.

Clarence

[stickbom!]

Thanks Clarence

[stickbom!]

Hey Edros, your apollo knot rocks... definitely passed the Brunei dropoff test with flying colors

[physlo]

Originally Posted by stickbom!

Hey Edros, your apollo knot rocks... definitely passed the Brunei dropoff test with flying colors

Then where's my reward?? No amberjack, no pangsai fish? Lend me your stella & popping rod can liao..hehehe. Shit i forgot to post the pictures. Paiseh-paiseh, will post it soon.

Cheers!
physlo

[stickbom!]

Eh you haven't heard the news meh? No more Stella liao! Bottom bashing outfit have you want? Nap Shot Curry Pok one

Just stating from my own experience, no harm intended at all.

the dropper loop is prone to slippage as it happened to me before.

Try to tie a 4 round surgeon loop before finishing off with a dropper loop, cut one end of the surgeon loop to tie the hooks for paternoster rigs.

Tight Lines

Originally Posted by Makaira

Yo Saimee,

That's a little too simple lar. Anything more complicated or not ... like a modified FG or Mid-knot that can also be used as an apollo?? Hehehehe!!!

BTW Mikey, the 16S SUCKS as a bottom fishing reel dude. Come to think of it, most 2 speed game reels suck as a bottom reel IMHO. A 2 speed reel don't mean it is a good sinker wincher. At low gear, it will take you forever to crank the sinker up from deep waters. However, if you really want a 16S, I've got a brand new unused Cal Sheets blueprinted 16S ... you want? Stick to one of the Boss 665 with the offset power handle for bottom bashing. That's my go-to reel for most applications these days. I guess one of those Jap jigger-type reels will suffice as well. Opinions differ of course.

Best regards,
Makaira

Hi Makaira

I guess it is already a tradition or habit for deep bottom fishos to use two speed reels. Although i have never used a two speed reel before which i must admit before typing out the rest of this reply.

I do find that the Accurate 665 narrow series would probably have more than enough line to fish depths of 250 and below. My Accurate reel is loaded with 500 yards of 80lbs braided.

Lastly, its all down to individual perference so please do not mind what i have just stated.

Tight Lines

[Makaira]

Hi cobbler,

Yes, it is always down to the individual angler .. that's why I said "opinions differ". Bear in mind that line capacity is seldom a problem these days with the advent of braided lines. Cranking power & toughness of the reel is the key nowadays because of the high drag settings anglers are "proned" to use

As for using a 2 speed game reel for bottom fishing, I would use one when the occasion called for it; because of the simplicity,toughness, bigger drags & perhaps the larger line capacity for heavy line of a game reel rather than for superior better cranking power. I've read somewhere that while David can conquer Goliath some of the time, we just don't hear of the many Davids that got quashed by Goliath 99% of the time.

As far as the habits of hardcore deep bottom fishos are concerned, it appears that the used of electric reels is gaining momentum. Boats catering to such trips better take into consideration the extra weight of batteries on the floor boards of their boats and the hazards of open terminal batteries being splashed by seawater!!!!! It would also be a good idea to have a battery charger on boad for multiple day trips too


Best regards,
Makaira

[stickbom!]

Hey Mak, the single speed Tyrnos worked out great. I can pick up line fast and yet not lose too much on cranking power. I know lots of bottom bashing veterans often frown at the mention of factory rods but I must say the Shimano Tallus Bluewater Series is really worth a second look. Less than $400, comes with quality Fuji/Stuart fittings and its nowhere as floppy as the standard factory stand-up/tuna sticks.

Thanks for the tip off on knots Cobbler, would be great if you could post some photos. Kinda got lost trying to figure out what you're trying to say

[Makaira]

Originally Posted by stickbom!

Hey Mak, the single speed Tyrnos worked out great. I can pick up line fast and yet not lose too much on cranking power. I know lots of bottom bashing veterans often frown at the mention of factory rods but I must say the Shimano Tallus Bluewater Series is really worth a second look. Less than $400, comes with quality Fuji/Stuart fittings and its nowhere as floppy as the standard factory stand-up/tuna sticks.

Thanks for the tip off on knots Cobbler, would be great if you could post some photos. Kinda got lost trying to figure out what you're trying to say

Glad to hear the Tyrnos worked out. The gearing & the offset handle of the single speed must have made a real difference. A good OTR rod for bottom bashing is fine if the price is right. I thought the Tallus uses Pacbay reelseats and Hardloy guides?

[stickbom!]

I'm not too sure about the reelseat... most probably Pac-Bay but the Tyrnos has a clamp so its fine. Guides are Hardloy but I'm going to change them when the factory binding comes undone (probably take a while for this to happen if I use the rod 3-4 times a year). I tell you man, if the bottom bouncing here is as fun as Brunei, I'll dump all my jigs & poppers for good. Less work, more rewards