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This is a discussion on Using The Rail within the General Chat forums, part of the After Hours category; Found some pictures demonstrating the technique...
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01-12-2005, 10:52 PM
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Rep Power: 5  | Using The Rail Found some pictures demonstrating the technique  |
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01-12-2005, 11:06 PM
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Rep Power: 4  | The "ang mo" that size also fight like that ah... Terrible strenght of those fish. If I'm him, I sure "down" into the deep blue sea  |
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02-12-2005, 12:01 AM
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My Mood:  Rep Power: 5 | Yo Mak I have tried this method in Taiwan Jigging.... It works man.... Save a lot of energy ..... Until it is up to almost the surface ,U can have more energy to fight...... Cheers Jason
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02-12-2005, 06:35 AM
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My Mood:  Rep Power: 6 | That guy looks like a NFL player man  Thank god our region no "cows/bulls/etc" :P |
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02-12-2005, 09:22 AM
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How unfortunate there aren't any cows in our region!!!! Don't bluff lar ...... most of us crazy anglers will never give up the opportunity to battle a moster like that if given the chance We have our own version of "cows" here ...... it is affectionately called roti prata. Quick! Quick! Buy your Seeker blank & get it built asap!!! Yes Jason, this method works great for deep sounding fish in a straight up-down tug-of-war. Too bad this technique won't work for spinners One important thing to note about this technique, or any other fish fighting technique for that matter, is to keep your back STRAIGHT!!! The minute you hunch over when fighting a big fish, you will suffer the consequences. Best regards, Makaira | |
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02-12-2005, 01:57 PM
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Rep Power: 0  | wahhhh... i think i sure lau sai in that position!  thks for the great visual! Cheers T |
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03-12-2005, 10:13 AM
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Rep Power: 5 | Makaira, You didn't mentioned that you need 2 persons to perform the "on the rail" method. ha ha ha I myself cannot imagine how to subdue those YellowFin Tuna. Nevertheless, it a lifelong ambition to make a mecca trip to San Diego for those King Kong YellowFin Tunas. If the $ is not an affordable issue, dun know if the able body can?? Kind regards Ghani |
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03-12-2005, 11:18 AM
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Rep Power: 5 | Hi GY, No need 2 persons lah! Hahahaha!!! The first pic is a deckie on standby to pass the rod & reel under the anchor rope should the fish decide to go ballistic & swim to the portside. As for the 2nd pic, that is probably a deckie helping out a newbie or just an fellow angler helping out another. I too would like to get a big YellowFin Tuna before my angling days are over. 150 pounds is enough ..... no need 200plus Best regards, Makaira |
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03-12-2005, 11:47 AM
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thought you already gotten your 150lb YellowFin Tuna, 180lb GT and 200lb Dogtooth Tuna way back in your younger days? Dun sprain the weak spine of yours, encik. Let us handle the biggies.  Cheers T | |
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03-12-2005, 12:07 PM
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180lb GT???? That will be the holy grail of all hardcore poppers if there is one that big! Us the rail ....... spare the spine!!!    | ||
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03-12-2005, 03:40 PM
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My Mood:  Rep Power: 4  | i think the first pic. after the catch, the rear grip will smell of the armpit... whahahaa |
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03-12-2005, 03:51 PM
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My Mood:  Rep Power: 4 | Woooohhooooo.... Check out the bend on that rod...... Yeeeehhhaaaaa I can just feel the pain.....and it looks like he's only at Strike Drag.....hehehhehe Hmmmm..... I wonder how that rod butt feels considering where its lodged and considering that our "Hero" in the picture has decided to enter battle half dressed.... anyone care to comment on the merits of AHEM!!! shaved over unshaved "Underarm Areas" when applying this technique? .....Somehow that rod bend seems vaguely familiar to me, hmmmm where on earth have I seen it..... OUCH!!!!, sorry the bruise in my "groin" area just reminded me where I last saw a bend like that... Lets not kid ourselves here... alllll of us would want a chance to watch our drag being smoked by a cow and then manage to wind her back in.... Well, I wish I could find YellowFin Tuna in the 100+lbs range, my quest continues, I know they are out there in my waters somewhere, if only I had proper SST imaging for my little back yard.... Regards to all, Saimee |
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05-12-2005, 01:00 PM
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Rep Power: 4 | Geez ...the angler needs to be in great physical shape to be able to do that especially if the fight is going to be a long one.Jason, Don't think we can make it. How about poking inside your belly button instead. I will support you from behind. Cheers! physlo |
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05-12-2005, 02:23 PM
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 Being physically fit for this kind of fishing is a must. However, this method supposedly is less stressful than normal standup, even with the aid of the harness. When using the rail, if the angler is unable to pump & wind, he simply cranks in whatever line he can get on low gear. Tuna swim in a circle when they fight deep, so when the fish comes closer to you at the "bottom" of the circle, you can always gain some line on him. Imagine standing up strapped to a harness on 20# of drag or more for more than 30 minutes. I dare say it will be more of an ordeal than using the rail | |
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05-12-2005, 02:51 PM
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Rep Power: 4 | YellowFin Tuna fishing in Pelabuhan Ratu aboard MV NOAH'S ARK .  Sportfisherman .  |
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05-12-2005, 03:36 PM
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Rep Power: 5 | IMHO, that's the side effect of using a relatively longer rod on a hard fighting, deep running fish. The fish has the advantage in this case and may even "lever" the angler into its domain if the angler is not careful Opinions differ of course |
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05-12-2005, 09:02 PM
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My Mood: Rep Power: 4 | Well Mak, A 50 class reel and a Baja Boomer would have been nice for the nice gentlemen with the flushed face.... I just saw a clip from one of those reality "Maximum Having a Bad Day" programs like "Cops".... This one was of an angler being pulled right out of his chair straight of the stern of a big Game Fishing Vessel... looked like a Cabo 40... Anyway the angler was an experienced guy with 10 IGFAs to his name (but I can't remember his name  ). From the video, they had this HUGE HUGE estimated 900lb Black Marlin almost to leader, it was only about 20-30 yards off the stern and just for a second, it looked like the angler neglected to reel fast enough as the boat backed down on the fish and he got a wind blown loop that stuck on his roller stripper guide..... as he reached out to clear the loop, the fish lunged and sounded and the angler being in what looked like a full harness but was sitting in the chair just got yanked clean out over the stern doing every anglers nightmare of the "Superman", whilst being clipped to the damned reel. By no small miracle of the Almighty, he wasn't pulled under the boat's screws and the Marlin didn't manage to sound on him and he managed to surface off the port rear quarter just out of reach of the crew, but they managed to grab his rod tip and use that to pull him in still strapped to the outfit.... apparently the fish broke him off underwater.... so that is definitely what I call a BIG LUCKY BREAK... I still want a nice big Yellowfin, even though I have a level of fitness most closely rivalled by a potato thats been in the deep fat fryer a couple of times... But I'll make sure I have a nice quick release clip and a decent neck knife on me, just in case I find myself doing the "Superman". Great Pics, Thanks guys. Saimee |
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05-12-2005, 10:53 PM
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Rep Power: 5 | Hi Saimee, Saw a similar video as well. For this one, the leaderman already had a few wraps of the leader. The angler did not wind the swivel right up to the rollertip. The boat was rocking; the swivel was swinging around & got wrapped round the tip. The big bill made a final lunge & the wireman had to unravel the leader or get pulled over the transom. The angler took off like a frigging rocket!!!!! Luckily, the angler survived as the fish broke off. Real scary man!!! As for the 50 class reel & the Baja Boomer ... you can't cast poppers from the bow of a sportfisher with that set up can you. Best regards, Makaira |
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05-12-2005, 11:09 PM
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Rep Power: 5 | Jon, So, what happened to the YellowFin Tuna. Did the poor chap managed to see his preditor? Kind regards Ghani |
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05-12-2005, 11:30 PM
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 :P This rail thing thing will work better with an electric reel :P All I need to do is sit my fat arse on the rod butt and "hey presto"  Big Tuna Small Sweat. | |
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06-12-2005, 12:34 AM
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06-12-2005, 12:39 AM
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Rep Power: 4 | Ghani ,  Here they are , those YellowFin Tunas ! Sportfisherman . |
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06-12-2005, 08:00 AM
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Rep Power: 5 | Sportfisherman, Those guys, are they using Carpenter WV or Supperpopping? BTW, have you or your friends ever match Supper Popping with StellaSW8000HG before? Is it a well balanced match? The norm would be SW10000HG Kind regards Ghani |
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06-12-2005, 09:27 AM
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Rep Power: 4 | Ghani , Those guys are using many rods from TN87 , SP79M , DJ83MH and LR86 for YellowFin Tuna and their reels ranges from SW8000HG to SW10000HG , myself I use LR86 + STL10000PG ( old version Stella ) . Casting into moving school of YellowFin Tunas requires different tactic ( not technique ) and mostof the time , snapcasting is required so most Tuna rods are longer than GT rods . :P SP79M is ideally matched with SW8000HG , in my opinion but above that one needs to use a stronger reel , but with an ever increasing breaking strain of PE line ( PE4 = 64 lbs in YGK Ultra ) , if the reel can stand the pressure long term , a lighter outfit is better , don't you think ?  Sportfisherman . |
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06-12-2005, 12:55 PM
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Rep Power: 5 | Sportfisherman, Totally agree with you. Thanks for the feedback Kind regards Ghani |
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