Two hook Rig

[shineshy]

Hi guys, how do u all set up ur 2 hook rig for bottom bashing ?. Below is the way i did it, but was told, it would be better not to set line passing thur the hook "eye" so as to not stress the line during impact from fishes..

hmm, u guys got better idea or Hook Knot Tying Illustration fro a better 2 hook rig ????

[MarkR]

Hi SS,

In theory, you're not supposed thread the leader through the hook eye if the eye is straight. A lot of old timers will tell you this. Thread the leader through the hook eye only if the eye is bent at an angle.

cheers

[Makaira]

Originally Posted by MarkR

Hi SS,

In theory, you're not supposed thread the leader through the hook eye if the eye is straight. A lot of old timers will tell you this. Thread the leader through the hook eye only if the eye is bent at an angle.

cheers

Hi Mark,

There is one exception to the rule though; and that is for circle hooks.

For circle hooks to work more effectively, the leader should go through the eye towards the hook point, as shown in shineshy's illustration E. However, I only go through the eye of the circle hook when I am using leader that is at least 50lbs breaking strength; and hard as opposed to limp / soft leader material. Otherwise I simply use the uniknot. In the past, when I happen to use lighter & soft leader material, I have experienced breaks right at the point of contact / pressure where the leader meets the hook eye.

Best regards,
Makaira

[MarkR]

Originally Posted by Makaira

There is one exception to the rule though; and that is for circle hooks.

Hi Mak,

Yes, spot on as usual. These days I snell my circle hooks too and make sure the leader passes though the hook eye in the direction SS has in his illustrations- this will enable the circle hook to turn properly and enable the point to dig in. I have stopped using the Rapala knot to form a free-swinging loop for circles as taught to me by Eric Lim in Rompin because I believe the standard snell is a stronger connection.

Tight lines,

Mark

[Makaira]

Originally Posted by MarkR

Hi Mak,

Yes, spot on as usual. These days I snell my circle hooks too and make sure the leader passes though the hook eye in the direction SS has in his illustrations- this will enable the circle hook to turn properly and enable the point to dig in. I have stopped using the Rapala knot to form a free-swinging loop for circles as taught to me by Eric Lim in Rompin because I believe the standard snell is a stronger connection.

Tight lines,

Mark

A free swinging loop may not necessarily be a weaker (edited) connection than a snell if it is properly tied. For lighter leaders, a loop is probably a weaker link than a snell because the loop can wear itself through on extended fights. There is another loop knot that is much stronger than the Rapala knot, but I forgot what it's called (just remembered - Perfection Loop). It must be said that for live bait, a free swinging loop has a better presentation as it does not impede the bait's movement as much as a snell does. Perhaps that is why the Rompin boys prefer to use a loop. One must bear in mind that with a loop, when the fish takes the bait, the hook can sometimes fold itself against the bait in such a manner that it renders the circle hook ineffective for a proper hookup.

[shineshy]

Originally Posted by Makaira

Hi Mark,

There is one exception to the rule though; and that is for circle hooks.

For circle hooks to work more effectively, the leader should go through the eye towards the hook point, as shown in shineshy's illustration E. However, I only go through the eye of the circle hook when I am using leader that is at least 50lbs breaking strength; and hard as opposed to limp / soft leader material. Otherwise I simply use the uniknot. In the past, when I happen to use lighter & soft leader material, I have experienced breaks right at the point of contact / pressure where the leader meets the hook eye.

Best regards,
Makaira

so I guess this knot i am using is okie...since the leader i use is more than 60lbs.. .

One thing to note is also the quality of the hooks used . the finish in those cheaper hooks tends to be poorer..thus when going thru the "eye" , e leader gets tends to get some rough "treatment". Some abrasion will occurred during the loop thru.

[Makaira]

Originally Posted by shineshy

so I guess this knot i am using is okie...since the leader i use is more than 60lbs.. .

One thing to note is also the quality of the hooks used . the finish in those cheaper hooks tends to be poorer..thus when going thru the "eye" , e leader gets tends to get some rough "treatment". Some abrasion will occurred during the loop thru.

Hi SS,

You maybe doing this already, but the safest way is to pull the leader slowly through the eye AFTER tying the snell. The same applies to hooks with the bent eye as well. This will prevent fraying the entire length of the leader if there is a burr in the hook eye. As with tying all knots, make sure you wet the snell well before drawing it. For circles, ensure that the point where the leader extends from the knot is on the backside of the hook shank so the leader goes through the eye smoothly and not at a twisted angle. I hope you know what I mean.

Best regards,
Makaira

[MarkR]

Yo Mak,

Have you tried a gang hook rig with 2 circle hooks?

SS,

Just an observation that the snell you use has two overlapping strands of mono leader at the hook eye. I generally try to avoid knots like these for fear of the overlapped segment cutting into itself. Just like a poorly tied trilene knot where the two leader loops around the hook eye overlap or cross...sure point of failure...I may be just paranoid though

cheers

[shineshy]

Originally Posted by MarkR

Yo Mak,

Have you tried a gang hook rig with 2 circle hooks?

SS,

Just an observation that the snell you use has two overlapping strands of mono leader at the hook eye. I generally try to avoid knots like these for fear of the overlapped segment cutting into itself. Just like a poorly tied trilene knot where the two leader loops around the hook eye overlap or cross...sure point of failure...I may be just paranoid though

cheers

really ah..oh oh..u guys got Illustration to show how u all do it.. My "ang Mo" not very gd lar.. :P

[Makaira]

Originally Posted by MarkR

Have you tried a gang hook rig with 2 circle hooks?

Hi Mark,

I have not nor do I think I will. Circles only work effectively when the curved point is totally exposed & that nothing inhibits point from "catching" so it penetrates all the way through for a solid hook up at the corner of the fish's mouth. As such, ganging circle hooks for use with bait leaves too much to chance of something going wrong, so I will not risk it.

The whole point of using a circle for bottom bashing, for me at least, is so that there is less chance of gut hooking; and it ain't because I'm a c&r advocate. I hate it when I have to use pliers to pull normal hooks out of a fish. Takes too much time during a hot bite and I end up losing a lot of hooks because I end up simply snipping the leader & tie on a new hook if the leader is still long enough. Don't forget, when it comes to bottom bashing ..... I'm simply a bait soaking meat hunting ah lau you know.

Best regards,
Makaira

[shineshy]

i did another knot for e 2 hook rigs. is actually a uni knot


1st pic --> Uni knot


2nd pic --> "modified uni knot with the main line NOT going thru the "eye" of the hook


any comments on the knot strength for a 2 hook rig ? Thanks

[gubble80]

how about trying this type of ganged hooks? can use up to 3 or more hooks and easier to tie, just need to buy the hooks with eye that can be bend open and back after slotting in another one. seems stronger too..

Ganged Hook Size 4/0 Box of 100

[shineshy]

u using tat? I tot the hooks might give away..no offence. I prefer owner hooks or gamakatsu..

I thinking of trying out the following too.. but some says fishes are sensitive to wire leh..Anyone using for night bottom bashing ?

[Din]

Yeah, was wondering about the fishes being sensitive to wires,y is that?
Is it because of the smell on them wires?When using wire on a jig,will it
affect the bite rate too?
Cos if we don use wires,them toothy critters(macks,barracudas)will
have a jolly good time on our monos!
Pardon me if my queries are out from this topic

Rgds,
Din

[tripleK]

Originally Posted by shineshy

i did another knot for e 2 hook rigs. is actually a uni knot


1st pic --> Uni knot


2nd pic --> "modified uni knot with the main line NOT going thru the "eye" of the hook


any comments on the knot strength for a 2 hook rig ? Thanks

Hi Bro Shineshy,

Pardon my ignorance, Whats the reason that the 2nd pic --> "modified uni knot with the main line NOT going thru the "eye" of the hook?