Trinidad TN 50 versus Tiagra 16

[arowana]

Hello bludders , may i know which of the above is truly meant for cranking sinkers above 2kg in a strong current fishing environment and depth ranging from 60-150 metres

Needed 1 for use in Singapore and nearby Malaysia waters

Thanks for advice

[Makaira]

Originally Posted by arowana

Hello bludders , may i know which of the above is truly meant for cranking sinkers above 2kg in a strong current fishing environment and depth ranging from 60-150 metres

Needed 1 for use in Singapore and nearby Malaysia waters

Thanks for advice

Hi,

IMHO, none of the two reels you mentioned are truely meant for the purpose you mentioned. IMHO, only a full fledged electrical reel is TRUELY meant for such usage

Having said that, don't touch any of the mini-pocket rocket game reels like Tiagra 16, Penn 16S, Accurate 6 or 12 etc if your objective is to winch up heavy sinkers when bottom fishing. If you do, you will find that you can only do it in low gear, usually 1:1 or 1:1.3 ratio, and you will take forever to winch up your sinker from deep waters. Should you keep it in high gear, you will have to pump & wind and get exhausted even before you fight a fish A trick that is helpful in increasing cranking power of such reels is to "up size" the handle by changing it to a longer throw handle, either aftermarket (eg T-Bar), or, if it fits, use the handle meant for a larger model in the series of that particular reel (eg Penn 30 or 50 handle on the Penn 16S)

The new generation of reels like Saltiga, Saltist, Jigger/trinidad, Torium & even the Accurate Boss series (with the appropriate handle) will do a MUCH better job; even if they are the hi-speed variants.

My fishing buddies & I use reels like the Saltiga/Saltist, Trinidad/Torium & Accurate Boss 665 to winch up sinkers to 4kg in superfast currents with no problems whatsoever. Just put the rod in the holder & wind, don't even need to pump & wind Of couse you need to have the appropriate rod that is up to the task as well.

To answer your question specifically, if you had only those two choices, IMHO, you should take the TN50 anytime over the Tiagra 16; with the caveat that I have not used a TN 50 before, and perhaps it could be a little too "tall" & may result in a lot of reel wobble in the hands of an inexperience user (not saying you are an inexperienced user).

Just a sidenote -- if you use your reels for heavy bottom fishing & regularly winch up heaver sinkers from depth, service those reels more often as the wear & tear is very high.


Hope this helps.

Best regards,
Makaira

[arowana]

Thanks Makaira, appreciate your valuable input But i have some doubts

Having said that, don't touch any of the mini-pocket rocket game reels like Tiagra 16, Penn 16S, Accurate 6 or 12 etc if your objective is to winch up heavy sinkers when bottom fishing. If you do, you will find that you can only do it in low gear, usually 1:1 or 1:1.3 ratio, and you will take forever to winch up your sinker from deep waters. Should you keep it in high gear, you will have to pump & wind and get exhausted even before you fight a fish A trick that is helpful in increasing cranking power of such reels is to "up size" the handle by changing it to a longer throw handle, either aftermarket (eg T-Bar), or, if it fits, use the handle meant for a larger model in the series of that particular reel (eg Penn 30 or 50 handle on the Penn 16S)

Is Penn 30's or 50's handle interchangeable with Penn 16s? What about the Tiagras?

The new generation of reels like Saltiga, Saltist, Jigger/trinidad, Torium & even the Accurate Boss series (with the appropriate handle) will do a MUCH better job; even if they are the hi-speed variants.

Is the present Trinidad TN 50 with the original handle enuff to power-up those sinkers from below? Or do i have to buy the optional handle and where can i buy those? Regarding the high speed variants, TN 50 has only the 4:9.1 ratio compared to Boss 6:1. So can this ratio for TN50 suffice?

Paiseh Makaira for asking tooooo many questions Juz needed to get 1 reel which i will not regret

Thanks and Best Regards

[edylie]

Get an accurate 665N and you will not regret

It is a pretty good reel.

Cheers,
Edy

[Makaira]

[quote="arowana"]Is Penn 30's or 50's handle interchangeable with Penn 16s? What about the Tiagras?

If memory serves me right, they should be interchangable across the "S" & "T" Penn International series. The V series is a totally different story altogether. For my own Internationals, I use the Arearule T-Bar for the 30's & 50's. For the 16S, I use the Tiburon T-Bar Lite. As far as the Tiagra is concened. I find their stock handles pretty useless especially for the smaller sizes i.e. way too short (opinions differ of course). I believe Tiburon makes the T-Bar Lite for the smaller size Tiagra as well. Unfortunately, I don't think any tackle shope locally sells it, so you probably have to order online.

Originally Posted by arowana

Is the present Trinidad TN 50 with the original handle enuff to power-up those sinkers from below? Or do i have to buy the optional handle and where can i buy those? Regarding the high speed variants, TN 50 has only the 4:9.1 ratio compared to Boss 6:1. So can this ratio for TN50 suffice?

For the Trinidads & Saltigas, their stock handles are pretty good IMHO. The designs of these reels have superior cranking power not only because of the handle design, but I believe they also have superior gearing technology & innovation which results in an exceptional product. This is especially so for Shimanos. As for the gear ratio is concerned, for me, 4.9:1 is more than enough for bottom fishing. Boss also has lower gear models, so the choice is yours. For bottom fishing, my personal preference is the lower gear ratio models. Others like hi-speed reels.

Hope this helps. Wait for bottom bashing GURU Saimee to chime in to give you better advice before you make up your mind.

Best regards,
Makaira

[stickbom!]

yo yo... Shimano's 2sp Tyrnos is coming soon Maybe you should wait a while
http://www.allcoastsportfishing.com/...d=157990&page=

[Makaira]

Hi Aro,

Most reels, however bad the cranking power, be it because of the gearing or simply poor design overall, will allow you to fight a fish to the surface if you have the patience & the right pump & wind technique. Even a big mother Stella 10000HG or a Saltiga 6000GT or the Tyrnos suggested by Stickbom can be used for bottom fishing. The problem comes when you need to change baits with a 2kg sinker and probably up to twice the 150m depth worth of line in a strong current to wind back into your reel. Try winding back line with a spinning set in the rod holder WITHOUT a pump & wind action. I would wager that you will prefer to cut the line & give up rather than change or check bait after a few rounds For the Tyrnos or any other 2 speed reels, you can probably only do it in low gear. So do keep in mind the bait changing / checking part of the equation when choosing your reel

Hope this helps.

Best regards,
Makaira

[DaFrogman]

Aro,

I would like to throw in my 2.5c regarding your question. Maks answers are as usual spot on and he beat me to it by suggesting an electric reel...

Now, as for 2kg sinkers..... man if the water is over 150 ft deep, with the kind of current that those sinkers warrant, better tag team the reeling in process.

You were asking about handles and gear ratios. Dude, for your purposes look more at the line retrieval rate not so much the ratios. This all relates to spool diameter and its been discussed before, but basically, the TN50/Jigger 5000 have taller spools with wider diameters, so each revolution of the spool takes in more line than say a Boss 665 with a lower diameter spool.

What this means basically is that the TN50 and Boss 665 will still retrieve roughly the same amount of line per crank (over 3 feet), but the TN50 with a lower gearing will be easier to crank.... So a lower ratio does not necessarily mean a lower line retrieval speed and remember that lower ratios are easier to crank up heavy weights with (note I said easier and NOT easy )

As for handles, I believe a longer offset handle will always be advantageous in deep water fishing. I use a Kaikon handle on my Boss 665 and modified it myself, but AO has a much nicer and longer offset handle that fits on the 665. The Area Rule T-Bar handles that Mak suggested are very nice and they articulate too, but they are not offset and I still think they are a leeeeetle short. In fact I don't know of any 2speed game reel with an offset handle, but I stand to be corrected.

I have tried the single speed 5:1 Tyrnos 2 weeks ago and it was about on par for the course, kinda like between a Trini/Kaikon and a TLD in cranking power, but more towards the Kaikon.

So in the end, follow Maks guidelines; when checking bait, just leave rod in holder and crank, use a rod that can handle those kind of sinkers (I'm thinking something like a minimum GF760L 30-80 rating), make sure the rod holder can handle the strain too, we have broken the plastic ones and now only use SS Steel.

I personally would try and load a suitable rod with both a Jigger 5000 and a Torsa 20/30, hook up 2kg of weight and dead crank it in the shop to test. That would be interesting. I spoke to a guy using a Torsa yesterday and he said that 1kg weights were no problem on the Torsa 30 in water around 280ft deep.

Good luck dude.

Saimee

[stickbom!]

Saimee... promise you won't laugh or post video clips of us struggling with spinning gear while bottom fishing okay :P

[physlo]

Originally Posted by stickbom!

Saimee... promise you won't laugh or post video clips of us struggling with spinning gear while bottom fishing okay :P

. We promised we won't Mike.

[arowana]

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Many thanks for all replies. At least i get to know some technical knowlege here

Best Regards,

[DaFrogman]

Mikey,

Thanks for reminding me to charge the batteries for the video camera.....

But to set your mind at rest, we do have a few guys here using Stella 20ks for bottom fishing, but I gotta say that when bottom fishing, the spinning reels seem to sustain a lot more physical damage than the conventionals..... Its probably more user treatment than anything tho.

We won't laugh I promise..

Saimee

[stickbom!]

man... I better stick to jigging/popping/sleeping :P

[Makaira]

Originally Posted by stickbom!

man... I better stick to jigging/popping/sleeping :P

Yea ..... soaking baits is defintely not your style dude. It's for the birds.

[DaFrogman]

Yea ..... soaking baits is defintely not your style dude. It's for the birds.

Why whats this..... hmmmm, I do seem to be growing feathers on my B**t...... Mak, you are proven to be correct yet again.... you'd better start plucking too dude....

Hey Mikey, no problem dude, you jig and pop, I'll just soak a bait off the stern between the engines... It'll give me something to do after setting up the right video camera angles....

Saimee

[stickbom!]

Yikes... think I'll move right to the bow and let the other 4 jokers in my team block me :P