A reliable bottom stick needed.

[physlo]

Masters,

What will be the most reliable bottom rod to suit a Tiagra 50 running a 80lbs braid. Prefer a Calstar...but not the grafighter series. This will be use for handling 200-300kgs bottom dwellers such as sharks or tong gas.

Regards
physlo

[stickbom!]

Dude... you got a Tiagra stashed @ home all this time?! If you ever need to use that Tiagra just drop my place and borrow the new broomstick I have Think you can pull up the Titanic with it! Don't think anyone will need that type of "firepower" on a regular basis so don't go waste your precious $$ to invest in one.

[DaFrogman]

Mikey,

You got a new broomstick?..... Is it the Jepunese one?....

Edros,

If you want a Calstar blank, but not the GF series, try the TS6455XH, that should be about right for your Tiagra 50. Action is fast but softer than a GF equivalent, I reckon Mikey's offer is good too.

Saimee

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Yes Saimee... its DE broomstick I just got

Edros, while I am not 100% sure if there's enough glass in this rod to make it a good trolling stick, I'm pretty sure it has excellent bite detection when your bait is at 400' below the surface

[Fish_Fingers]

Edros,

Sounds like you need a bent-butt built up with a cropped Baja Boomer.

[stickbom!]

hehehe... dude... not many people fishes like Team Ironman Hows life? Been a while since we met up. Lets do a pond session sometime

[Fish_Fingers]

hey bro. been busy la.

Pond fishing is just my cup of tea nowadays...... wanna try that new freshwater pond @ yishun one of these days?

And the baja boomer + bent butt set-up isn't actually that siong to fish with. Its quite alright...... really.

[stickbom!]

You mean that one opp Yishun stadium? can can! I don't mind trying but I'm utterly hopeless at FW fishing so let me know what to bring okay? SW pond easier for me... there's always my trusty OLD SKOOL!

[physlo]

Mike,
I have the 50WLRS but sold it away. I prefer the normal narrow 50's. I will drop by your place to take a look but i still want to get one built for my heavy deep water bottom fishing.

Saimee,
TS6455XH - is it from the Tuna series? I need one with stong backbone but one that does not break my own backbone instead...hahaha.

Regards
physlo

[physlo]

Originally Posted by Fish_Fingers

Edros,

Sounds like you need a bent-butt built up with a cropped Baja Boomer.

Bryan,
A bent-butt would be ideal. Do you have one for sale?

Regards
physlo

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Originally Posted by physlo

Mike,
I have the 50WLRS but sold it away. I prefer the normal narrow 50's. I will drop by your place to take a look but i still want to get one built for my heavy deep water bottom fishing.

Saimee,
TS6455XH - is it from the Tuna series? I need one with stong backbone but one that does not break my own backbone instead...hahaha.

Regards
physlo

Dude... there's heavy deep water bottom fishing and THERES super heavy deep water bottom fishing. Don't think you wanna fish a broom stick unless its absolutely required right?

[physlo]

Originally Posted by stickbom!

Dude... there's heavy deep water bottom fishing and THERES super heavy deep water bottom fishing. Don't think you wanna fish a broom stick unless its absolutely required right?

Mike,

How would you define super deep? I've been to places where all my 500m of PE 5 line out and still can't hit bottom...scary. For now anything more than 300m, i might as well play blackjack on board.

We will bottom fish between 200-280m.

Regards
physlo

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Before we side track... I'm just trying to remind you that buying/building up a bottom canon for one trip is not really worth the trouble/cost. Now I know that you're going to target outsized sharks, well I suggest you try to borrow a rod that's suitable cos a bent butt outfit is really something that will hardly see sunlight.

[physlo]

Originally Posted by stickbom!

Before we side track... I'm just trying to remind you that buying/building up a bottom canon for one trip is not really worth the trouble/cost. Now I know that you're going to target outsized sharks, well I suggest you try to borrow a rod that's suitable cos a bent butt outfit is really something that will hardly see sunlight.

Mike,

I will prefer to build one...to avoid the unnecessary misunderstanding when anything happens to the rod. And it's not that expensive to custom built from an American blank compare to buying high end Japanese rods. This rod won't be for just one trip. I have many more long range trips in the future coming up. What I need now is a some suggestion to avoid buying a wrong one.

Regards
physlo

[belial]

Hi Physlo,
you can try sabre tackle. michael mok got one 80lb class roller guide rod for sale. it was supposedly built for the owner of Wahoo but apparently that poor chap passed on before seeing the rod. maybe you could psycho michael mok to sell you the rod at a discount. the last time i saw the rod was 2 days before i went for my local grouper trip.

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Originally Posted by physlo

Mike,

I will prefer to build one...to avoid the unnecessary misunderstanding when anything happens to the rod. And it's not that expensive to custom built from an American blank compare to buying high end Japanese rods. This rod won't be for just one trip. I have many more long range trips in the future coming up. What I need now is a some suggestion to avoid buying a wrong one.

Regards
physlo

Fully understand your intentions Edros. Not sure if you're on the same channel as me though... BUT bottom line is, I really hope you find that "Excalibur" and catch yourself a monster on it @ Takabakang. All the best for your hunt my friend.

Hey DFM, other than a roller tip, would a bottom rod really need a full set of rollers? I was suggesting to Edros that he can consider using a roller tip/HNSG combo to save weight and the hassle of maintenance. What do you think?

[DaFrogman]

Edros,

The TS6455XH is a Tuna/Standup, all fibreglass blank, 5,5ft long, rated 50-100. I actually have one built up all roller to my measurements.

Now I understand Mikey's thoughts on the all roller or just roller tip+stripper with Sics, but I feel that if its for extra heavy bottom, with probably extra heavy sinkers and (hopefully) long drawn out battles with XXXXXL fish, I would go all roller as you would use fewer guides, thereby keeping the action of the rod softer and reeling in those sinkers will be marginally easier.

As for the weight issue, I reckon that for the consumate HEAVY bottom canon, where most times it will be in a rod holder, weight is not so much of an issue. I also assume that on the big fish, you will elect to use some kind of harness system and that further negates issues on weight.

You may also have a pull on a Calstar Baja Boomer or Baja Boomer Junior, Sabre should have both blanks and MM I am sure will be able to advise you on the best course to take. For bent butts, I reckon that unless you have a really good harness system to make the most of a bent butt, then its not worth building it. Of course you could mount an AFTCO Unibutt with which you can then opt to interchange between a bent or straight butt.

Hope that helps a bit dude.

Good luck,

Saimee.

[physlo]

Originally Posted by DaFrogman

Edros,

The TS6455XH is a Tuna/Standup, all fibreglass blank, 5,5ft long, rated 50-100. I actually have one built up all roller to my measurements.

Now I understand Mikey's thoughts on the all roller or just roller tip+stripper with Sics, but I feel that if its for extra heavy bottom, with probably extra heavy sinkers and (hopefully) long drawn out battles with XXXXXL fish, I would go all roller as you would use fewer guides, thereby keeping the action of the rod softer and reeling in those sinkers will be marginally easier.

As for the weight issue, I reckon that for the consumate HEAVY bottom canon, where most times it will be in a rod holder, weight is not so much of an issue. I also assume that on the big fish, you will elect to use some kind of harness system and that further negates issues on weight.

You may also have a pull on a Calstar Baja Boomer or Baja Boomer Junior, Sabre should have both blanks and MM I am sure will be able to advise you on the best course to take. For bent butts, I reckon that unless you have a really good harness system to make the most of a bent butt, then its not worth building it. Of course you could mount an AFTCO Unibutt with which you can then opt to interchange between a bent or straight butt.

Hope that helps a bit dude.

Good luck,


Saimee.

Saimee,
I have decided on two blanks. Either a GFTR 7455XH or a Baja Boomer Jr. I won't run full rollers on it. Maybe on the tip only. Thanks.

Mike,
Kanasai...simi same channel? Use channel 5 only lah. No fish no worries, can also let you use to whack those sialan inmates at Changi Prison. How…swee bo?

Regards
physlo

[Makaira]

Hi Physlo,

Just a suggestion.

Perhaps you may like to consider a slightly longer rod for the little extra clearance when fighting the fish at close quarters near the boat, or having to fish from the bow of the boat at times. Both the 6460 (6') & the 6465 (6.5') have the heavy ratings you are looking for. I have personally switched to six or six & a half footers for my bottom bashing as well.

CALSTAR FIBERGLASS FISHING RODS BLANKS

Best regards,
Makaira

[physlo]

Originally Posted by Makaira

Hi Physlo,

Just a suggestion.

Perhaps you may like to consider a slightly longer rod for the little extra clearance when fighting the fish at close quarters near the boat, or having to fish from the bow of the boat at times. Both the 6460 (6') & the 6465 (6.5') have the heavy ratings you are looking for. I have personally switched to six or six & a half footers for my bottom bashing as well.

CALSTAR FIBERGLASS FISHING RODS BLANKS

Best regards,
Makaira

Thanks for the advice. I believe the 6ft would be ideal for me. Do you think i should stick with a full fiberglass or a composite blank?

Regards
physlo

[Makaira]

Originally Posted by physlo

Thanks for the advice. I believe the 6ft would be ideal for me. Do you think i should stick with a full fiberglass or a composite blank?

There are a few things to consider. For example, if you go the glass route, the butt of the blanks will be pretty hefty & therefore probably a No 3 Aftco & equivalent gimbal may be needed. That would make the rod a little bulky; because the hypalon / EVA will have to be shaped accordingly proportion-wise. But this is just aesthetics & will not affect functionality much unless you have very small hands. Going the composite route will result in a slimmer profile rod and relatively lighter in weight. However, imho, when it comes to this genre of fishing, equipment weight with is the last priority.

Glass will be slightly more forgiving, but composite will give you more pulling power. I personally prefer the GF's for the pulling power & slimmer profile. You can hardly go wrong either way imho. Go pull on both before deciding. Do bear in mind that a blank will usually go a little "softer" in action after it is built up.

[physlo]

Originally Posted by Makaira

There are a few things to consider. For example, if you go the glass route, the butt of the blanks will be pretty hefty & therefore probably a No 3 Aftco & equivalent gimbal may be needed. That would make the rod a little bulky; because the hypalon / EVA will have to be shaped accordingly proportion-wise. But this is just aesthetics & will not affect functionality much unless you have very small hands. Going the composite route will result in a slimmer profile rod and relatively lighter in weight. However, imho, when it comes to this genre of fishing, equipment weight with is the last priority.

Glass will be slightly more forgiving, but composite will give you more pulling power. I personally prefer the GF's for the pulling power & slimmer profile. You can hardly go wrong either way imho. Go pull on both before deciding. Do bear in mind that a blank will usually go a little "softer" in action after it is built up.

I have a GFGR 760M which turns softer to my liking after build up. Now, I have a better idea what i need. Thanks Makaira and to everyone else.

Merry Christmas in advance.

Regards
physlo

[DaFrogman]

Edros,

Sorry dude, but you did say in your first post that you didn't want a Grafighter....hehehehehehehe, thats why I only posted all fibreglass blanks.

I do have a GF755XXH lying around somewhere, built with an AFTCO Unibutt, but its not mine... that thing is rated unlimited and man is it STIFF, a real Psycho Broomstick.

I believe that the GF7455XH will be an extra fast blank and if you are worried about your back, better pull on the blank first dude.

As always, Mak gives some great insight into these rods and blanks. To complicate things for you even more, Seeker now have their new S-Glass composites that are supposed to be the best thing sinced sliced bread, but I doubt you can get those in Spore yet and they are a bit pricey.

Glad you have made up your mind dude, will get in touch with you soon.

Saimee

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Originally Posted by physlo

Mike,

Kanasai...simi same channel? Use channel 5 only lah. No fish no worries, can also let you use to whack those sialan inmates at Changi Prison. How…swee bo?

Regards
physlo

Dude! I'm a real peace loving guy man... wouldn't even hurt an ant!

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